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BOOKSTORECORE
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7634 posts since 8/8/06

27 Mar 2012 21:39
Me too. It's 21st century mob rules.
Mr X
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27 Mar 2012 21:39
Example. Hypothetically Walnuts is a celeb and he is bollock naked and someone against his will has illegally stolen a picture of this. They tweet it and 40000 people retweet. He calls the police.

Are 40,000 retweeters going to get a visit from the cops?
walnuts
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2460 posts since 17/6/06

27 Mar 2012 21:39
Jimmy326 wrote: If anyone on here was gonna sympathise/empathise with him, it was always gonna be Mr X.

And MM2006 Eye-wink
robii
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18857 posts since 8/9/06

27 Mar 2012 21:46
Hello World wrote: Twitter is basically an official publishing media now, so its the same as saying that on television, radio, newspaper, or any other printed media.

Anything you say on Twitter has a potential worldwide audience, but in reality there are millions of different people spouting crap on millions of social media outlets worldwide, so I don't think making racist comments on twitter does a greater harm than say making racist comments in front of 20 people in a pub. Not saying that makes it OK, but the punishment seems heavy handed
deuce
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13689 posts since 21/1/08

27 Mar 2012 21:50
the guys clearly a twat, but i dont think you should be jailed for voicing your opinion (freedom of speech?), even if it is offensive to X, Y or Z.
walnuts
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2460 posts since 17/6/06

27 Mar 2012 21:58
I agree. As much as he is a dick, consistency is key, otherwise this could easily pave the way for gradual clampdowns on free speech
Jordan wrote: the guys clearly a twat, but i dont think you should be jailed for voicing your opinion (freedom of speech?), even if it is offensive to X, Y or Z.
Hello World
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12100 posts since 7/3/05

27 Mar 2012 22:00
When the footballer had the incident, his name hit the top of what the newspapers would be searching for, hitting twitter with his name would bring up plenty of posts, guess it is not hard to then add a few racist terms in the search and bingo you have detected a crime.

People commit crimes everywhere all day long, they just dont leave the evidence lying around which is easily searchable and people are looking for it at the time.

Facebook statuses are full of racist incitement all the time, but the police dont spend all day searching for it, they rely on other people reporting it.

using that facebook searching website etc.

People say racist things all the time, it is just not generally recorded and then handed to the police. (like on the bus or tube that has been on the news recently)

The world has changed in the way data can be collected and searched for, but people have not caught up that if you commit crimes of this type you can get caught far more easily. There racism is still overt as it has always been.

Forums like these only get checked much lower in the food chain as it is off the radar.

Nobody would speed if every time you exceeded the speed limit it just informed the police and you were billed instantly etc. The desire to speed still exists though.
Dee
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11196 posts since 22/11/07

27 Mar 2012 22:04
Jordan wrote: the guys clearly a twat, but i dont think you should be jailed for voicing your opinion (freedom of speech?), even if it is offensive to X, Y or Z.



absolutely
robii
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18857 posts since 8/9/06

27 Mar 2012 22:09
Hello World wrote: When the footballer had the incident, his name hit the top of what the newspapers would be searching for, hitting twitter with his name would bring up plenty of posts, guess it is not hard to then add a few racist terms in the search and bingo you have detected a crime.

People commit crimes everywhere all day long, they just dont leave the evidence lying around which is easily searchable and people are looking for it at the time.

Facebook statuses are full of racist incitement all the time, but the police dont spend all day searching for it, they rely on other people reporting it.

using that facebook searching website etc.

People say racist things all the time, it is just not generally recorded and then handed to the police. (like on the bus or tube that has been on the news recently)

The world has changed in the way data can be collected and searched for, but people have not caught up that if you commit crimes of this type you can get caught far more easily. There racism is still overt as it has always been.

Forums like these only get checked much lower in the food chain as it is off the radar.

Nobody would speed if every time you exceeded the speed limit it just informed the police and you were billed instantly etc. The desire to speed still exists though.

I understood your point, I just don't think the punishment matches the crime. If the crimes of speeding or saying racist things to your mates in the pub were that high on the agenda of the police then they could persue these things with more fervour, with or without the internet. The fact that it's now easier to prove that a crime has been committed shouldn't mean that crime suddenly becomes more heinous, which seems to be the case here
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

27 Mar 2012 22:11
ones thing for sure, he wont be the boss in prison. Cry
Rez
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7961 posts since 5/4/09

27 Mar 2012 22:11
Exactly Robii
Hello World
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12100 posts since 7/3/05

27 Mar 2012 22:35
Been this way since the criminal justice act, this act was an open and shut case, no work involved, bang to rights etc.

Current justice structure is short sharp shocks, so 2 months (prob serve 1) is on par with the crime according to the current guidelines. Wether this is correct is for others to decide, it is outside the democratic process.

My personal opinion is that there is an example being made here, but it is necessary to enforce the structure of the new world media and expose racism.

Its plus and minus, less overt expressions of beliefs can just causes things to go more underground and concentrate, but on the other hand if it is just ignorance, seeing others punished strongly can lead to education that it is no longer socially acceptable.
robii
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18857 posts since 8/9/06

27 Mar 2012 23:48
Can't deny it's an open and shut case but I wonder what the police are doing to prosecute numbers from the EDL facebook group, for example. Would make for better examples too as this case says be careful what you say online because big brother is watching more than it sends out a message that racism is wrong
bill
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4905 posts since 5/8/09

28 Mar 2012 00:09
But it wasn't big brother watching, people actually called the police. I understand your(and everyone else's) argument though. It's one of them issues where it could become a worry if it were applied to other issues which people get easily offended by.

No one has the right not to be offended but as it stands, essentially outlawing public expressions of racism is not really a bad thing, however you look it at.

rural
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17557 posts since 26/9/06

28 Mar 2012 00:15
Stan 'woman beater' Collymore went to and complained at his local pig station apparently.
b.bravo
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1079 posts since 13/8/08

28 Mar 2012 00:26
http://egotastic.com/2012/03/octomom-takes-off-her-top-to-pay-the-rent/
deuce
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13689 posts since 21/1/08

28 Mar 2012 00:30
would smash
rural
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17557 posts since 26/9/06

28 Mar 2012 00:32
^Of course, but what's the point of taking off your top and not showing the silicone though?
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

28 Mar 2012 09:33
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2121366/fuk2012-nonces-and-virgins-are-scuppered-and-will-have-to-crywank.html
deuce
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13689 posts since 21/1/08

28 Mar 2012 09:46
outrage