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fudge.dredd
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1986 posts since 15/12/12

15 Nov 2015 23:08
Great comment by someone in one of the above linked articles:

Manal Omar writes: “…change within Islam has been happening for the past 1,400 years. Islam has never been a static religion.”

There the debate begins and ends. Because Islam is the Koran and that sacred book, according to core Muslim teaching, must never be changed. Because it is the work of God and hence eternal and permanent and unalterable. Remove that and you deny the Faith's legitimacy.

At the very start of Mohammed's ministry, as he preached the third monotheistic faith, he faced the question, what is the matter with the previous two monotheism?

His answer: the sacred texts of the Jews and Christians have been contaminated and corrupted. God had earlier confided his message to humanity to the prophets of the Christians and Jews but His words were then, across the centuries, changed and distorted, by their scribes. They twisted those texts into a narrative more flattering to their own people, when in fact it was the Arabs, through Ishmael, whom God had favored.

This forced the Almighty to repeat his message a third time. Mohammed was entrusted with that final, definitive edition. To prevent the repeat of the calamity that had corrupted the earlier two, it was commanded that nothing in this last Koran may ever be changed, not a syllable. Nor may its meaning be understood in any way other than the literal sense. God does not require an editor or interpreter. He means what he says and says what he means.
Incidentally, Mohammed also revealed that there would be no future prophets. Any subsequent seer with a new dispensation would be a fraud.(He was not going to have his own trick played on him.)

To repeat, that is core Muslim teaching and the reason Islam is a fundamentalist religion. The Eternal Koran as the work of the Almighty, not of man, is now fully embraced by all the Faithful. This makes Believers proud and confident. Their creed alone adheres loyally to the one God. The rest of the globe's people will eventually follow and also submit since God is not to be denied, but today's Muslims are the advanced guard. That is immensely reassuring. It is inspiring.

It is Islam's great strength, but also its great weakness. Because being God's unalterable makes the religion static. It cannot meet new conditions. It cannot evolve. It is unable to adjust specific edicts, not least, that every Muslim must, whenever possible, undertake holy war to bring the entire world to Islam. The Koran commits devout Muslims to that task until the goal is achieved (or the religion shatters). Aberrational are those who deny this. They are the heretics and renegades. Such is the reality regardless of the dust thrown into the air by those who wish to sedate and confuse the West.

That differing legal schools exist inside Islam is true, but those do not contest that the Koran is solid and fixed and nothing in it is disputed. None are of two minds or claim any elasticity about anything whereof the Koran speaks. Whereof the Koran does not speak, that is their domain.

Islam, as a way of life. It prescribes how a Muslim conducts him/herself from dawn to dusk, what he eats and how he/she dresses, worships, marries, divorces, is educated, punished, etc. The code of law governing those details, based on the Prophet's words and example, is called sharia. There various legal approaches and interpretations do indeed apply. There there is pluralism and flexibility and the ability to adjust to modern circumstances. But not regarding anything the Koran says explicitly. To brandish the plasticity of those legal schools as evidence against the unchanging, inviolable nature of the Koran is more deception and dishonesty.

The splendid Ayaan Hirsi Ali works bravely to bring the truth to the surface. Manal Omar works wretchedly to cover it up.

A principal problem is that Islam lacks the West's aversion to a lie. That bias derives, in part, from our Judeo-Christian roots. Those deem a lie a sin because it contests the reality God made on creating the world out of chaos. The liar poses as himself a creator. His imagination jerry rigs a purported world to compete with God's. That challenge makes the lie a sin and the liar wicked. His efforts help revive the confusion from which God wrested the world. He abets entropy.

Muslims, if they really fear the Almighty, should take lying more seriously.
caol87
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2378 posts since 28/6/14

17 Nov 2015 13:51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUrv7wXkaXg
YLAup
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5872 posts since 5/9/11

17 Nov 2015 18:45
Phwoar
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/teaching-assistant-caroline-berriman-who-10458072
MerciBeau
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4412 posts since 7/7/06

17 Nov 2015 20:32
Truck bomb disguised as ambulance at the Hannover Germany match - This the death knell for European Multi-Cultural open liberalism?
caol87
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2378 posts since 28/6/14

posted 17 Nov 2015 20:56, edited 17 Nov 2015 20:56
MerciBeau wrote: Truck bomb disguised as ambulance at the Hannover Germany match - This the death knell for European Multi-Cultural open liberalism?

Sky News just said no explosives have been found in Hannover, false alarm

German police aren't too shabby

MerciBeau
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4412 posts since 7/7/06

17 Nov 2015 21:02
caol87 wrote:
MerciBeau wrote: Truck bomb disguised as ambulance at the Hannover Germany match - This the death knell for European Multi-Cultural open liberalism?

Sky News just said no explosives have been found in Hannover, false alarm

Came to revise that. Intelligence from a foreign source apparently…
shame
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1733 posts since 17/7/12

posted 17 Nov 2015 21:22, edited 17 Nov 2015 21:22
caol87 wrote: German police aren't too shabby
Laughing out loud
…as a german i have this discussion all the time with my mates and we simply have no explanation for it…it's also really common…though there MUST be sth wrong with 'em.
caol87
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2378 posts since 28/6/14

17 Nov 2015 22:26
shame wrote:
caol87 wrote: German police aren't too shabby
Laughing out loud
…as a german i have this discussion all the time with my mates and we simply have no explanation for it…it's also really common…though there MUST be sth wrong with 'em.

I am half German Smiling if all the Police were like that in Germany i'd go out of my way to get arrested Eye-wink
collizhun
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3880 posts since 19/10/06

18 Nov 2015 16:56
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/nov/18/turkey-cut-islamic-state-supply-lines-erdogan-isis

Good article.
gawkrodger
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7686 posts since 4/11/08

posted 18 Nov 2015 17:14, edited 18 Nov 2015 17:14
now, I like Graeber. I am a huge YPG supporter and detest Erdogan and the actions of the Turkish State.

However, half this article is in cloud cuckoo land. The idea that the YPG would clear Daesh out of Aleppo or Homs is ridiculous
oldgregg
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6387 posts since 13/4/02

18 Nov 2015 17:45
gawkrodger wrote: now, I like Graeber. I am a huge YPG supporter and detest Erdogan and the actions of the Turkish State.

However, half this article is in cloud cuckoo land. The idea that the YPG would clear Daesh out of Aleppo or Homs is ridiculous
Yup, turkey helping out ypg is as likely as israel hooking up with hamas, ygp will not put an end to is, but might go further in getting a foot hold for a kurd state, political nightmare for da turks.
adidaskev
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1001 posts since 30/11/11

19 Nov 2015 16:11
Turkey don't have to help out YPG however - just let them get on with what they were doing and stop blocking off their efforts, no?
collizhun
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3880 posts since 19/10/06

posted 19 Nov 2015 16:24, edited 19 Nov 2015 16:24
From what I've read, ISIS get a lot of funds from selling oil from refineries they have taken over. Only Turkey and Saudi seem viable outlets, hard to believe the governments would be unaware of this.

DuffMan
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14389 posts since 21/2/07

posted 19 Nov 2015 16:33, edited 19 Nov 2015 16:33
I'd have thought they are pretty keen to buy the oil - they get (presumably) very cheap oil and they fund sunni instability in the Middle East which as the two regional sunni powerhouses suits them
adidaskev
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1001 posts since 30/11/11

19 Nov 2015 17:24
War basically always comes down to oil.
oldgregg
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6387 posts since 13/4/02

19 Nov 2015 17:34
adidaskev wrote: Turkey don't have to help out YPG however - just let them get on with what they were doing and stop blocking off their efforts, no?

Yeah, awesome idea!
Honnete
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224 posts since 15/10/15

19 Nov 2015 20:49
'War, wars stupid,and people are stupid'.
Dee
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12150 posts since 22/11/07

20 Nov 2015 11:15
Mali

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-34877069
oldgregg
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6387 posts since 13/4/02

20 Nov 2015 12:36
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/phuc-dat-bich-vietnameseaustralian-man-shares-photo-of-passport-to-prove-his-real-name-a3119161.html
collizhun
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3880 posts since 19/10/06

26 Nov 2015 14:13
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/26/syria-airstrike-case-david-cameron-seven-points-analysis

I can't see how British involvement with airstrikes alone will make any difference to the coalition already bombing ISIS positions? The 70,000 claimed Syrian moderate forces must also be an amalgamation of various groups who do not all share the same ultimate goal.

Can anyone with a better understanding comment as to why they are for or against the proposals put out today?