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-DiscoTits-
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1000 posts since 26/11/07

3 Dec 2015 16:23
His father would be turning in his grave right now if he could hear his son.
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1000 posts since 26/11/07

3 Dec 2015 16:26
burny wrote: As Andy said, the overwhelming majority was pro strikes. Also, the very fact that you think Corbyn would let bombing happen in Syria purely for political points scoring is insanely ludicrous.

Where's this magic poll you've seen?
DuffMan
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14389 posts since 21/2/07

posted 3 Dec 2015 16:37, edited 3 Dec 2015 16:37
Regardless of which side you're on it seems odd that the Conservatives are so keen to jump onboard and so many Labour MPs to go with them just for a short term (even by political standards) boost.
The Iraq war was political (and more importantly PR) kryptonite to Labour by the end of it and they surely can't have forgotten those lessons already.

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1000 posts since 26/11/07

3 Dec 2015 16:49
The Iraq war was about oil and nothing more.
burny
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6129 posts since 25/5/06

3 Dec 2015 16:52
-DiscoTits- wrote:
burny wrote: As Andy said, the overwhelming majority was pro strikes. Also, the very fact that you think Corbyn would let bombing happen in Syria purely for political points scoring is insanely ludicrous.

Where's this magic poll you've seen?

What magic poll? Im not discussing how twitter feels about it. If you read the news, 66 labour mps backed the government yesterday. Thats a fact, not a poll or a twitter feed.
james_fox
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541 posts since 1/8/10

3 Dec 2015 17:09
a poll of public opinion not of MPs.

before the vote this suggested only 48% of the public back airstrikes - nowhere near as overwhelming a majority as the MPs voted for.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/12/02/analysis-sharp-fall-support-air-strikes-syria/

(obviously bearing in mind the survey was in the times and yougov is tory owned)
-DiscoTits-
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1000 posts since 26/11/07

3 Dec 2015 17:37
66 Labour mp's who would be better off dressing themselves in blue ties as apposed to red you mean? I think I got my wires crossed I thought you were referring to the public's opinion being overwhelmingly for airstrikes which it certainly is not. While I'm at it it's truly sad to see that Labour have not learned from their previous mistakes in Iraq etc.
burny
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6129 posts since 25/5/06

3 Dec 2015 17:38
I was answering your original post. If, like you suggested, people only voted for MPs who voted against, they would fall short because such a high amount of labour MPs (66) voted for strikes. They would fall short, therefore not particularly politically shrewd like you were originally suggesting.
illwill
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4165 posts since 17/5/04

3 Dec 2015 17:51
Candidate?

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/genderneutral-barbers-launch-25000-appeal-to-open-in-hackney-a3128876.html
gonzoking
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840 posts since 13/3/11

3 Dec 2015 18:26
-DiscoTits- wrote: His father would be turning in his grave right now if he could hear his son.
Fuck yes!
gonzoking
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840 posts since 13/3/11

3 Dec 2015 18:31
JustinCredible wrote:
bill wrote: Makes me sick watching these MP war monger cunts who can't wait to start bombing.
This & the utter cunts having a good laugh when Bercow cracked a joke about it when he announced the result of the vote.

Some justice in the fact his wife has seen more cock ends than weekends and the mug keeps taking her back, reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTvWZn95mZQ

Great film, am I alone in always noticing that he messed up the "arse in her cock" line.
MerciBeau
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4415 posts since 7/7/06

3 Dec 2015 19:44
Cameron accuses Corbyn of being terrorist sympathiser - Corbyn fails to point out the arms deals we have with global terrorism head office KSA. Missed opportunity.


-DiscoTits-
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1000 posts since 26/11/07

3 Dec 2015 19:59
Accuse me of being a tin foil hat wearer all you want but it always amuses me how little the parties mention all the arms trades we have with all these questionable regimes and where these arms ultimately end up. One way or another we have basically funded and armed all these middle east soldiers and like I said before the west profits from a destabilised middle east at the expense of innocent families. Capitalism at it's worst.
ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

3 Dec 2015 22:48
^^^

West doesn't trade arms with Syria, they do, however, trade with the Gulf States - has any arms been provided via them? Who knows. Who's the biggest culprit? Germany. The Germans have a 10% market share in the arms trade (ours is only about 3% I believe); some of the Germans' biggest exports are to the likes of Qatar or Saudi Arabia, including their most advanced battle tanks, the Leopard II.
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1000 posts since 26/11/07

3 Dec 2015 22:52
Yeah I was aware we don't trade directly to Syria,IS,Al Qaeda etc (as far as we know of course). I didn't realise how much Germany actually accounted to all this. No wonder Merkel has opened the borders. Guilty conscious me thinks.
bill
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4931 posts since 5/8/09

3 Dec 2015 23:12
Question time depressing as fuck as well, this whole situation is crap. Everyone's a middle east expert.

The woman conservative MP, I'd like to see her sent to war.

jogon321
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725 posts since 13/4/12

3 Dec 2015 23:12
UK supplies around 40% of Saudi arms imports which are currently being used in the conflict in Yemen. Plus we have a number of defense contractors out there in advisory roles.
jogon321
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725 posts since 13/4/12

3 Dec 2015 23:14
And no country exports anywhere as much as the US or Russia
mtthrvy2
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1986 posts since 8/11/10

3 Dec 2015 23:56
-DiscoTits- wrote: Accuse me of being a tin foil hat wearer all you want but it always amuses me how little the parties mention all the arms trades we have with all these questionable regimes and where these arms ultimately end up. One way or another we have basically funded and armed all these middle east soldiers and like I said before the west profits from a destabilised middle east at the expense of innocent families. Capitalism at it's worst.

corbyn mentioned exactly this in an interview with some bint from the bbc. Said that was one of the key things we should be looking at rather than bombing. BBC interviewer abruptly cut him off asking another "under what circumstance" question
ShaneB
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908 posts since 28/11/10

posted 4 Dec 2015 07:58, edited 4 Dec 2015 07:58
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/parliamentary-constituencies/oldham-west-and-royton/12032551/Nigel-Farage-says-Labours-Oldham-victory-bent.html

Insiders and pollers had all predicted a very close run thing in the byelection, and yet contrary to all reports, Labour actually increase their share? It was widely reported that Labour were likely to edge it on the back of the Asian vote.

Now they tell us the deciding factor was the postal vote, a form of voting disproportionately represented by Asians; we know there's been severe issues of fraud in other wards / constituencies that have propensity to postal vote (Tower Hamlets for one). Is Farage right to raise concerns? Dodgy as anything. Can't stand this political system we have; all a bunch of mugs.