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ginner
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258 posts since 15/4/14

27 Jul 2016 06:44
MLI wrote: Obama says there's no other country on earth like the US when it comes to mass killings, so they gotta get tougher gun laws there. Actually Europe has had way more mass killings gross and per capita than the US for years..and Europe has WAAAY stricter gun laws..at least in the US also, the good guys get to carry guns:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/05/gun-control-owners-criminals/


Is the stat for the europe having more mass killings per capita than US?
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

27 Jul 2016 10:35
ginner wrote:
MLI wrote: Obama says there's no other country on earth like the US when it comes to mass killings, so they gotta get tougher gun laws there. Actually Europe has had way more mass killings gross and per capita than the US for years..and Europe has WAAAY stricter gun laws..at least in the US also, the good guys get to carry guns:

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/05/gun-control-owners-criminals/


Is the stat for the europe having more mass killings per capita than US?

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
justjames
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437 posts since 10/1/11

27 Jul 2016 10:44
I think it's relevant that that piece defines a mass shooting as one in which at least 15 people are killed. The higher number (I've seen mass shootings defined elsewhere as being instances in which 4+ have been killed) allows countries such as Norway, who have had a small number of high mortality instances (perhaps only one even), to creep into the list. I think if the list included instances of shootings in which 4+ people had been killed then the rankings would look entirely different.
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

posted 27 Jul 2016 11:01, edited 27 Jul 2016 11:01
justjames wrote: I think it's relevant that that piece defines a mass shooting as one in which at least 15 people are killed. The higher number (I've seen mass shootings defined elsewhere as being instances in which 4+ have been killed) allows countries such as Norway, who have had a small number of high mortality instances (perhaps only one even), to creep into the list. I think if the list included instances of shootings in which 4+ people had been killed then the rankings would look entirely different.

Not if you include a lot of tiny European countries together as a block of people similar in number to the US. EU would still definately be higher.

The MSM and Obama who wants tighter gun laws/less freedom is pushing the myth that the US has more massacres than anywhere.
justjames
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437 posts since 10/1/11

27 Jul 2016 11:43
MLI wrote:
justjames wrote: I think it's relevant that that piece defines a mass shooting as one in which at least 15 people are killed. The higher number (I've seen mass shootings defined elsewhere as being instances in which 4+ have been killed) allows countries such as Norway, who have had a small number of high mortality instances (perhaps only one even), to creep into the list. I think if the list included instances of shootings in which 4+ people had been killed then the rankings would look entirely different.

Not if you include a lot of tiny European countries together as a block of people similar in number to the US. EU would still definately be higher.

That still doesn't address the convenient definition of a mass shooting
C-Stylez
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5096 posts since 4/7/12

27 Jul 2016 11:46
I'm sure if they included shootings that took place in conjunction with other crimes / gang violence the numbers would tell a very different story than simply comparing lone gunmen that go a rampage.

If we're arguing gun laws then surely "mass shootings" aren't the only thing to be considered
figurine
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5667 posts since 14/5/07

27 Jul 2016 12:06
Worth a read http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-deaths/
caol87
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1989 posts since 28/6/14

27 Jul 2016 14:51
And again… http://news.sky.com/story/explosion-near-migration-office-in-germany-10514380
padawan
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4026 posts since 27/6/03

27 Jul 2016 14:56
someone blew a crisp packet up and pop'd it.
Fuzzyduck121
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1595 posts since 14/12/12

27 Jul 2016 16:17
trigger happy media are more than half of the problem here
every gas explosion, act of vandalism and loud fart leads to a style of reporting that acts as click bait for people fearful of terrorist incidents
morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

posted 28 Jul 2016 22:42, edited 28 Jul 2016 22:42
MLI wrote: The MSM and Obama who wants tighter gun laws/less freedom is pushing the myth that the US has more massacres than anywhere.

Among developed countries they do, Obama is talking about mass shootings. 1 or more mass shootings per day in average.

http://www.thoughtspot.com/blog/america%E2%80%99s-mass-shootings-6-charts


And if you look at gun violence overall it's 10-20 times more likely to die from gun violence in America depending on the research. Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun. America has 88.8 guns per 100 people in 2007.

More guns = more homicides

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/17/lisa-bloom/americans-are-20-times-likely-die-gun-violence-cit/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8806907/charleston-shooting-gun-violence


The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.

Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604


The number of public mass shooters per capita (the ‘rate’) for the U.S. was approximately five times the per capita rate for the European Union.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/12/03/obamas-inconsistent-claim-on-the-frequency-of-mass-shootings-in-the-u-s-compared-to-other-countries/


morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

posted 28 Jul 2016 22:57, edited 28 Jul 2016 22:57
also LOL at your link

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/05/gun-control-owners-criminals/

The statistics used is from the site gunssavelives.net that collect their data from stories their readers submits Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud

AND they have Ann Coulter as a columnist….

"It would be a much better country if women did not vote. That is simply a fact. In fact, in every presidential election since 1950 - except Goldwater in '64 - the Republican would have won, if only the men had voted." - Ann Coulter

padawan
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4026 posts since 27/6/03

29 Jul 2016 09:43
who?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3713111/Parents-left-children-hotel-drinking-stopped-police-2am.html
MLI
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4349 posts since 6/10/09

29 Jul 2016 10:12
morning mist wrote:
MLI wrote: The MSM and Obama who wants tighter gun laws/less freedom is pushing the myth that the US has more massacres than anywhere.

Among developed countries they do, Obama is talking about mass shootings. 1 or more mass shootings per day in average.

http://www.thoughtspot.com/blog/america%E2%80%99s-mass-shootings-6-charts


And if you look at gun violence overall it's 10-20 times more likely to die from gun violence in America depending on the research. Americans are seven times more likely to die from violence and six times more likely to be accidentally killed with a gun. America has 88.8 guns per 100 people in 2007.

More guns = more homicides

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/jan/17/lisa-bloom/americans-are-20-times-likely-die-gun-violence-cit/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-gun-deaths-compare-to-other-countries/
http://www.vox.com/2015/6/18/8806907/charleston-shooting-gun-violence


The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.

Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604


The number of public mass shooters per capita (the ‘rate’) for the U.S. was approximately five times the per capita rate for the European Union.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/12/03/obamas-inconsistent-claim-on-the-frequency-of-mass-shootings-in-the-u-s-compared-to-other-countries/

http://crimeresearch.org/2015/06/comparing-death-rates-from-mass-public-shootings-in-the-us-and-europe/
CovOne
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8652 posts since 17/8/04

29 Jul 2016 10:28
Can't be arsed to go through the site/methodology etc.. but it would suggest the author has a tendency to be pro gun when looking at his output “More Guns, Less Crime,” “The Bias Against Guns,” and “Freedomnomics.”

Plus in addition quite a few in depth critics of his approach and flawed statistics
http://www.armedwithreason.com/shooting-down-the-gun-lobbys-favorite-academic-a-lott-of-lies/

figurine
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5667 posts since 14/5/07

29 Jul 2016 10:53
Think MLI is the only one on here with less of a grasp on statistics than Sayword.
RickRude
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3258 posts since 13/1/12

29 Jul 2016 13:02
nothing beaten Saywords
bill
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4905 posts since 5/8/09

posted 2 Aug 2016 17:17, edited 2 Aug 2016 17:17
Man this is fucked up Evil

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3719528/Chilling-CCTV-footage-shows-India-Chipchase-s-final-moments.html

…and all I could think about when reading it was, 'I bet that's what Mr X's flat looks like'
Mr.X.
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2825 posts since 23/6/13

posted 2 Aug 2016 21:38, edited 2 Aug 2016 21:38
That's not a nice thing to write about me, someone you don't know and clearly written as provocation. Consult the drugs tread or see a doctor, if I of all people are in your thoughts you have some sort of mental illness. Good joke, really funny… Roll Eyes cool avatar…

Bill spews hatred yet begs for pity over a receding hairline and being a cripple because he did too much exercise one day.
bill
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4905 posts since 5/8/09

2 Aug 2016 22:07
Don't pretend you have feelings. I don't want to be thinking about, I really don't but everytime there's a serial killer/physco/mentalist etc in the news I can't help but picture you. That's just the image you project.