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MLI
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4404 posts since 6/10/09

posted 8 Jun 2017 10:17, edited 8 Jun 2017 10:17
TIMDOT wrote: Fascist= Seeks political legitimacy through racist scapegoating, by way of populism. Seeks to have physically threatening presence to those that disagree.

No, you're wrong. Fascism is concerned with authoritarianism and strong military and police control of the population. Hitler was a fascist and a racist. But a fascist isn't by definition a racist.

By the way, you think Stalin didn't scapegoat minorities? And didn't kill millions? Communists like yourself always forget that one.

Seeks to have physically threatening presence to those that disagree.

The left is waaaay more guilty of this. Ever run into a construction union rep? Or even a union member? I had my life threatened by one I worked with because I said I wished we didn't have to take labor day off (we get paid by the hour in the data pitt). Ever seen who is responsible for most of the violence at political rallies in the West? Leftists.

It is the co-option of similar ideas by mainstream politics and the political spectrum's eventual shift to the right to appeal to these ideas that makes them unique and a threat to democracy.

nope, your try hard intellectual waffle doesn't make you correct. Maybe you should start again by looking up fascist in a dictionary?

TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

posted 8 Jun 2017 11:41, edited 8 Jun 2017 11:41
MLI wrote: No, you're wrong. Fascism is concerned with authoritarianism and strong military and police control of the population. Hitler was a fascist and a racist. But a fascist isn't by definition a racist.

By the way, you think Stalin didn't scapegoat minorities? And didn't kill millions? Communists like yourself always forget that one.
Zero analysis. The dictionary is the only book you read isn't it.

The definition cannot only be concerned with those who come to power, it is inherently linked to HOW they do so. If you only care about the dictionary definition then you're not putting history into context.
Look at all fascists in the past and present that have either risen to power or have come close to it. This is my evidence.
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Regardless of what you think, Stalin and Hitler are not equal in HOW they killed. Hitler mainly killed through concentration camps, Stalin; famine. For Nazi's genocide was the means to an end, world domination. For Communism the collectivization of agriculture was the means to an end, economic growth.

Russia achieved in 20 years what the UK did in 200; an industrial economy. The horrors of which are concentrated as such. This is why I think of communism as state-capitalism.
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Should've contacted your union. Having your rep threaten you is unacceptable.
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

posted 8 Jun 2017 11:43, edited 8 Jun 2017 11:43
The "west" isn't one big UC Berkeley protest.
The police are the real violent ones, the world over.
padawan
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4045 posts since 27/6/03

posted 8 Jun 2017 11:54, edited 8 Jun 2017 11:54
Yank roolz

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4583742/Angry-Ryanair-passenger-leaves-flight-attendant-TEARS.html

EssexBoyII
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6421 posts since 5/6/07

8 Jun 2017 13:02
deuce wrote:
EssexBoyII wrote: No offence but I'm not going to listen to anything Tommy Robinson has to say.
whys that exactly?

Because I've seen some of his less polished videos
fudge.dredd
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670 posts since 15/12/12

8 Jun 2017 19:13
I believe Islam has actually been responsiible for approx 250 million deaths around the world since the 1400s.

The greatest killing machine in history.
Crackajack
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7100 posts since 21/4/05

8 Jun 2017 20:12
Yes, religion is now a near-useless backward concept. Managing/facilitating its natural decline (not by banning it or encouraging untold number of converts and religious terrorists) and avoiding it being replaced by something worse is what society need to do.

fudge.dredd
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670 posts since 15/12/12

8 Jun 2017 20:33
The problem with Islam is that by trying to reform it or 'facilitate its decline', you invariably push it/the followers into defensive mode and hence back to its stricter roots which is what I think has been happeneing since the 80s
Crackajack
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7100 posts since 21/4/05

8 Jun 2017 20:51
'Need' for religion decreases with increased equality / socialism / collectivism. Would like to think this is part of the solution.
Mr.X.
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2842 posts since 23/6/13

8 Jun 2017 21:06
*prays for Crackajack*
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

posted 8 Jun 2017 22:26, edited 8 Jun 2017 22:26
fudge.dredd wrote: I believe Islam has actually been responsiible for approx 250 million deaths around the world since the 1400s.

The greatest killing machine in history.
https://i.redditmedia.com/tmnyrLsKWpdZ8rykDeXihmG5ahmBuv_K7IpSvfXQ3cc.jpg?w=578&s;=c6952a8a96ce7fd1ad8956917ea7a1e8
Because they did statistics in the 1400's.

In class society, any religion is subordinate to the economic system it is under.
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This puts things into perspective. With a loose definition of communist:
https://i.redd.it/ckigvpb2821z.jpg
China can't catch a break.
fudge.dredd
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670 posts since 15/12/12

9 Jun 2017 00:05
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.html
andymakesglasses
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20179 posts since 26/1/06

posted 9 Jun 2017 07:31, edited 9 Jun 2017 07:31
TIMDOT wrote: Regardless of what you think, Stalin and Hitler are not equal in HOW they killed. Hitler mainly killed through concentration camps, Stalin; famine. For Nazi's genocide was the means to an end, world domination. For Communism the collectivization of agriculture was the means to an end, economic growth.

Yes 5 million people were killed by artificially-engineered famine but that very conveniently ignores the 3 million who were executed or died in the Gulags, not to mention those who died during forcible resettlement (mainly on ethnic and national grounds, it should be noted). The collectivisation was only partly about economic growth.
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

9 Jun 2017 10:04
I'm not disputing this. My comment doesn't dispute this.
What other reasons are there for taking all the food for the new industrial workers or selling it that wasn't for economic growth?
Counter-revolution.
MLI
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4404 posts since 6/10/09

posted 9 Jun 2017 10:47, edited 9 Jun 2017 10:47
TIMDOT wrote: The definition cannot only be concerned with those who come to power, it is inherently linked to HOW they do so. If you only care about the dictionary definition then you're not putting history into context.
Look at all fascists in the past and present that have either risen to power or have come close to it. This is my evidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Fascism_and_racism
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Regardless of what you think, Stalin and Hitler are not equal in HOW they killed. Hitler mainly killed through concentration camps, Stalin; famine.
Andy said it but seriuosly have you never heard of a gulag?

For Nazi's genocide was the means to an end, world domination. For Communism the collectivization of agriculture was the means to an end, economic growth.

Huh? Why would it be necessary to kill millions of people to collectivise agriculture? Even if you actually inexplicably did think that was actually a good idea and a good way to grow the economy.

Russia achieved in 20 years what the UK did in 200; an industrial economy. The horrors of which are concentrated as such. This is why I think of communism as state-capitalism.

The USSR had 20 times as many people as the UK did. All under an iron fist, commanded to work where they were assigned to work, for the same pay and benefits as everyone else (except for the Party elites of course). They created an "economy" that was doomed to fail. What's so amazing about that?

By the way, another word you might want to look up, since you seem to have an interest in the subject. The word is: Communism. You might find that simlar to your "novel" thinking the actual definition of Communism is, incredibly, the state control of capital, you… complete… fucking… moron.
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Should've contacted your union. Having your rep threaten you is unacceptable.

Nope, never been in a union, never will be. I've never needed a union to fight my battles. I told him to fuck off and that his Union thug intimidation tactics don't work on me. He got fired a couple of days later for shitty work anyway. Typical unionist, using the union to cover for incompetence. Pathetic weakling.

Who the fuck are you anyway Timdot? A 12 year old with a Che Geuvara T-shirt who's rebelling against his parents?
TIMDOT
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862 posts since 6/8/14

9 Jun 2017 11:14
So you're a scab then.
I don't argue with scabs. Not that anything you've said disproves what I said.
andymakesglasses
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20179 posts since 26/1/06

9 Jun 2017 11:48
TIMDOT wrote: What other reasons are there for taking all the food for the new industrial workers or selling it that wasn't for economic growth?

Power and control.
MerciBeau
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4324 posts since 7/7/06

9 Jun 2017 17:03
EssexBoyII wrote:
MerciBeau wrote:
deuce wrote: from didsburys mosque youtube account;

Just goes to show how in a room full off utter idiots, a marginal idiot is so dangerous. This guy is talking moronic bollocks that would be laughed out of a sixth form as sub-normal intellect, yet a whole room of people sitting lapping it up…

Admittedly, I only watched 50% but what was so inflammatory about it?

Mate it's brainwashing, it's a cult, these people are detaching the audience from rational thought.
EssexBoyII
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6421 posts since 5/6/07

9 Jun 2017 17:13
That's not going to be good enough. Quotes please
deuce
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13663 posts since 21/1/08

posted 9 Jun 2017 18:49, edited 9 Jun 2017 18:49
if you watched the video i posted, you'd see him on film being recorded saying stuff. but you wont, you dope.
fingers in ears and la la la la la Smiling