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caol87
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1989 posts since 28/6/14

9 Jun 2017 21:59
London bridge attack could have been much worse, they tried to hire a 7.5 tonne lorry
Mr.X.
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2826 posts since 23/6/13

posted 11 Jun 2017 21:48, edited 11 Jun 2017 21:48
Going back to the Manc bomb/London I thought the police/medics response was incredible.

I get the feeling a lot of muslims keep the religion to themselves. There should be more transparency, who knows what's being taught by the Ayatollahs and Imams in mosques and in what context? Same goes for Catholicism and all the others. Those peado priest of the 70s/80s were found out and the Pope himself at least came out and apologised… you don't see these clerics apologising.

No empathy for people that are not muslims.
breck
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939 posts since 5/3/09

11 Jun 2017 22:05
Mr.X. wrote: you don't see these clerics apologising.

Are Muslims speaking out against terrorism? You bet they are

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-09/muslims-speak-out-against-terrorism/8606296

Mr.X. wrote: No empathy for people that are not muslims.

Muslims ‘Give Most To Charity’, Ahead Of Christians, Jews And Atheists, Poll Finds

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/21/muslims-give-most_n_3630830.html
Mr.X.
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2826 posts since 23/6/13

11 Jun 2017 22:11
That's all very nice but reality isn't a Zadie Smith novel.
padawan
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4027 posts since 27/6/03

15 Jun 2017 11:18
https://youtu.be/PQqldy_Ez18

Superprecise
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2056 posts since 16/7/11

posted 15 Jun 2017 15:39, edited 15 Jun 2017 15:39
As someone who works in estate regeneration (although new build rather than this kind of stuff) and who understands how developments are funded, procured and managed, I find these conspiracies pretty disgusting.

He's right on one count though, overcladding is a shoddy business, especially when the cladding is combustible (even though it will have had a fire rating). In addition, the cavity between the original and new skins allows fire to shoot upwards in a way that is readily designed against in new builds. The original concrete tower, knackered though it might otherwise have been, would never have burnt like that.
RickRude
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3258 posts since 13/1/12

posted 15 Jun 2017 16:21, edited 15 Jun 2017 16:21
Its disgraceful race baiting fake news - especially when they are still looking for dead people. Saw a video of Akala (rapper) spewing some bullshit about rich vs poor to cameras on the day it was still burning.

Have some expathy and repsect - instead of going straight in to serve your narrative.
morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

15 Jun 2017 16:32
Mr.X. wrote: Going back to the Manc bomb/London I thought the police/medics response was incredible.

I get the feeling a lot of muslims keep the religion to themselves. There should be more transparency, who knows what's being taught by the Ayatollahs and Imams in mosques and in what context? Same goes for Catholicism and all the others. Those peado priest of the 70s/80s were found out and the Pope himself at least came out and apologised… you don't see these clerics apologising.

No empathy for people that are not muslims.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-attack-imans-no-funeral-prayers-terrorists-refuse-500-muslim-clerics-islam-isis-burial-khuram-a7776861.html
fudge.dredd
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551 posts since 15/12/12

posted 15 Jun 2017 17:04, edited 15 Jun 2017 17:04
^
Islamic law forbids martyrs from being washed or having funeral rites.

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger used to shroud two martyrs of Uhud in one sheet and then say, “Which of them knew Qur’an more?” When one of the two was pointed out, he would put him first in the grave. Then he said, “I will be a witness for them on the Day of Resurrection.” He ordered them to be buried with their blood (on their bodies). Neither was the funeral prayer offered for them, nor were they washed. Jabir added, “When my father was martyred, I started weeping and uncovering his face. The companions of the Prophet stopped me from doing so but the Prophet did not stop me. Then the Prophet said, ‘(O Jabir.) don’t weep over him, for the angels kept on covering him with their wings till his body was carried away (for burial).'” (Bukhari 5.59.406).

Muhammad’s words in hadiths that are deemed authentic are normative for Islamic law, and Islamic law consequently states: “It is unlawful to wash the body of a martyr (O: even if in a state of major ritual impurity (janaba) or the like) or perform the funeral prayer over him. A martyr (shahid) means someone who died in battle with non-Muslims (O: from fighting them, as opposed to someone who died otherwise, such as a person killed out of oppression when not in battle, or who died from fighting non-polytheists, such as (N: Muslim) transgressors).” — Reliance of the Traveller g4.20

morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

15 Jun 2017 17:29
They don't consider them martyrs so how is that text relevant?

Rirawin
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9220 posts since 17/7/05

15 Jun 2017 19:01
RickRude wrote: Its disgraceful race baiting fake news - especially when they are still looking for dead people. Saw a video of Akala (rapper) spewing some bullshit about rich vs poor to cameras on the day it was still building.

Have some expathy and repsect - instead of going straight in to serve your narrative.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40291372
fudge.dredd
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551 posts since 15/12/12

16 Jun 2017 00:20
morning mist wrote: They don't consider them martyrs so how is that text relevant?

Because if they did consider them martyrs then they would be carrying out Islamic customs despite not declaring it.

As Muhammed is quoted as saying in the Koran: "all war is deceit"
breck
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939 posts since 5/3/09

posted 16 Jun 2017 01:10, edited 16 Jun 2017 01:10
fudge.dredd wrote: ^
Islamic law forbids martyrs from being washed or having funeral rites.

Narrated Jabir bin `Abdullah: Allah’s Messenger used to shroud two martyrs of Uhud in one sheet and then say, “Which of them knew Qur’an more?” When one of the two was pointed out, he would put him first in the grave. Then he said, “I will be a witness for them on the Day of Resurrection.” He ordered them to be buried with their blood (on their bodies). Neither was the funeral prayer offered for them, nor were they washed. Jabir added, “When my father was martyred, I started weeping and uncovering his face. The companions of the Prophet stopped me from doing so but the Prophet did not stop me. Then the Prophet said, ‘(O Jabir.) don’t weep over him, for the angels kept on covering him with their wings till his body was carried away (for burial).'” (Bukhari 5.59.406).

Muhammad’s words in hadiths that are deemed authentic are normative for Islamic law, and Islamic law consequently states: “It is unlawful to wash the body of a martyr (O: even if in a state of major ritual impurity (janaba) or the like) or perform the funeral prayer over him. A martyr (shahid) means someone who died in battle with non-Muslims (O: from fighting them, as opposed to someone who died otherwise, such as a person killed out of oppression when not in battle, or who died from fighting non-polytheists, such as (N: Muslim) transgressors).” — Reliance of the Traveller g4.20

99.999% of the Islamic world don't consider these isis terrorists martyrs though so…pointless misrepresentation

fudge.dredd wrote: As Muhammed is quoted as saying in the Koran: "all war is deceit"

This is a lie.

Dee
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11142 posts since 22/11/07

16 Jun 2017 05:10




99.999% of the Islamic world don't consider these isis terrorists martyrs though so…pointless misrepresentation

This is a lie.

morning mist
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3127 posts since 29/5/05

16 Jun 2017 07:00
fudge.dredd wrote:
morning mist wrote: They don't consider them martyrs so how is that text relevant?

Because if they did consider them martyrs then they would be carrying out Islamic customs despite not declaring it.

As Muhammed is quoted as saying in the Koran: "all war is deceit"

You're a fucking idiot then with that 'logic'

So no matter what they say or do they are NOT speaking up against terror and therefor they are all terrorists

ismvil
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619 posts since 16/9/11

posted 16 Jun 2017 09:43, edited 16 Jun 2017 09:43
It was actually Sun Tzu who's credited with first saying it and those words don't actually appear in the Quran. It's a saying attributed to Muhammad in the Hadith tradition. And the actual Arabic word means deception, which is not the same as being untruthful, the two words have different etymological roots.

But hey why let the truth get in the way of a good story. All Muslims must be liars, undertaking in active deception. It's the like the ultimate sleeper cell, straight from Tommy Robinson's wet dream.
padawan
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4027 posts since 27/6/03

16 Jun 2017 10:51
simplest terms…..

some muzzies are baddies - some muzzies are goodies.
The baddies feed on the misinterpretation
The goodies fall victim of the misinterpretation
I know if I was constantly being tarred with the same brush as the baddies,
I would feel the need to "Not in my name" it.

The real problem lies with the beige SJW fucktards that bleat on about injustice they undoubtedly know nowt about, "Muslims are the real victims" blah blah blah……..no the people killed by baddies are the victims.





deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

posted 16 Jun 2017 10:51, edited 16 Jun 2017 10:51
ismvils and brecks comments everytime islam comes up are so good.
i think it's best if everyone just agrees islam is great, there are no issues at all within islam as a whole, there's zero violence, zero intolerance, nothing wrong with its scripture, practices or beliefs, and certainly no issues with them being overly sensitive. regardless of what happens muslims are the victims and it's all the fault of the 'west', even inter-muslim wars.
please lets not forget all the good the muslim world has done for us in terms of science and progression in recent times too.
lastly, muhammad definitely did fly to heaven on a winged horse, and anyone who says otherwise is a racist cunt. the left has made it very clear it's about time we all got on board with this ring wing ideology.
Kadafi39
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1561 posts since 30/10/09

16 Jun 2017 11:06
You are getting no fanny when you die mate.
Dee
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11142 posts since 22/11/07

16 Jun 2017 11:26
Laughing out loud