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figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

16 Jun 2017 11:30
deuce wrote: ismvils and brecks comments everytime islam comes up are so good.
i think it's best if everyone just agrees islam is great, there are no issues at all within islam as a whole, there's zero violence, zero intolerance, nothing wrong with its scripture, practices or beliefs, and certainly no issues with them being overly sensitive. regardless of what happens muslims are the victims and it's all the fault of the 'west', even inter-muslim wars.
please lets not forget all the good the muslim world has done for us in terms of science and progression in recent times too.
lastly, muhammad definitely did fly to heaven on a winged horse, and anyone who says otherwise is a racist cunt. the left has made it very clear it's about time we all got on board with this ring wing ideology.
Why does everything need to be so simplistically defined as right or wrong. Islam has its flaws, as does the Right. Why feel the need to constantly attack a whole religion because there are some troubled individuals who use it as justification to carry out awful acts?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks
deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

16 Jun 2017 13:01
Islam has its flaws, as does the Right.
because islam = the left
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ismvil
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619 posts since 16/9/11

16 Jun 2017 13:14
Plenty of problems with Muslims deuce.
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

16 Jun 2017 13:42
deuce wrote:
Islam has its flaws, as does the Right.
because islam = the left
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I never said that, but you clearly are spouting Right wing ideology while blindly ignoring the problems there. But solid input m8.
deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

16 Jun 2017 13:46
No, I simply ignored your 'whataboutery'. Genuinely surprised you didn't mention the crusades. thx m9
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

16 Jun 2017 13:54
It isn't whataboutery, my point is fairly simple, so even you should be able to understand it. There are people willing to commit murder regardless of religious or political backgrounds.
deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

16 Jun 2017 13:56
Excellent.
And are those same people instructed to do so by scripture that they read?
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

16 Jun 2017 14:06
I'm no expert on the Koran, but I think its significantly more nuanced than your previous quotes on the matter.
ismvil
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619 posts since 16/9/11

16 Jun 2017 14:07
deuce wrote: Excellent.
And are those same people instructed to do so by scripture that they read?

You mean like in the Book of Samuel 15:3? Where the following verses detail herem:

"And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them,"

"But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

Which was used as an excuse to wipe out large swathes of the Native American population.
deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

posted 16 Jun 2017 14:21, edited 16 Jun 2017 14:21
figurine wrote: I'm no expert on the Koran, but I think its significantly more nuanced than your previous quotes on the matter.

might be worth having some sort of understanding on what you're clearly so passionate about defending, eh?


ismvil wrote:
deuce wrote: Excellent.
And are those same people instructed to do so by scripture that they read?

You mean like in the Book of Samuel 15:3? Where the following verses detail herem:

"And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them,"

"But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

Which was used as an excuse to wipe out large swathes of the Native American population.

but but but but you dont understand the context of which it was written! are you even a scholar of the bible tho?
but but but it was at a time of war, and the christians were being attacked Eye-wink

but yeah, thats the exact sort of shite im talking about.

except;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jo_Cox
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Portland_train_attack
for 2 of the 3 examples, the attacks werent religiously inspired

p.s. you know ismvil, that by criticising the bible you're on my side Cool
Kadafi39
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1561 posts since 30/10/09

16 Jun 2017 14:22
Can't really compare what happens in the modern world with something that happened centuries ago.
ismvil
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619 posts since 16/9/11

16 Jun 2017 14:39
Kadafi39 wrote: Can't really compare what happens in the modern world with something that happened centuries ago.

How about the Klu Klux Klan then, or Tim McVeigh, is that modern enough for you?

https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did;=697463
ismvil
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619 posts since 16/9/11

16 Jun 2017 14:41
And deuce, all I'm saying is any particular person can try to justify violence with anything, religious texts, or non-religious texts.
breck
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939 posts since 5/3/09

16 Jun 2017 14:51

deuce wrote:
figurine wrote: I'm no expert on the Koran, but I think its significantly more nuanced than your previous quotes on the matter.

might be worth having some sort of understanding on what you're clearly so passionate about defending, eh?

The irony…

Most "terror" is political, not religious. It's no coincidence the rise in attacks correlates with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Dying-Win-Strategic-Terrorism-Robert-Anthony-Pape/0812973380/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid;=1497624502&sr;=8-1&keywords;=dying+to+win
deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

16 Jun 2017 14:52
and im in total agreement with that.
however, what i would say is, christianity as a whole has moved on. the old testiment these days is almost ignored by the masses. i cant imagine even padawan believes in the whole adam + eve and talking snake malarky (i could be wrong)

islam however hasnt - but i imagine thats partly because the quran was (apparently) the true and direct word of god, unlike the bible.
most (all?) believe in the fairy tale bullshit like muhammad flying to heaven on a badass unicorn.

islam needs a second wave, but because of the above its almost impossible to do.

anyway, lets bash christianity for a bit, it'll be fun. plus it means figurine can join in, because he wont be scared that someones going to accuse him of being a racist

deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

16 Jun 2017 14:53
breckroadlover wrote:
deuce wrote:
figurine wrote: I'm no expert on the Koran, but I think its significantly more nuanced than your previous quotes on the matter.

might be worth having some sort of understanding on what you're clearly so passionate about defending, eh?

The irony…

Most "terror" is political, not religious. It's no coincidence the rise in attacks correlates with the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan

https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/Books/Dying-Win-Strategic-Terrorism-Robert-Anthony-Pape/0812973380/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid;=1497624502&sr;=8-1&keywords;=dying+to+win

and islam isnt a political ideology?
ismvil
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619 posts since 16/9/11

16 Jun 2017 14:55
I agree, muslims need to sort themselves out.

So yeah, we're basically on the same side.
figurine
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5669 posts since 14/5/07

16 Jun 2017 15:01
deuce wrote: anyway, lets bash christianity for a bit, it'll be fun. plus it means figurine can join in, because he wont be scared that someones going to accuse him of being a racist
I have no interest in bashing Christianity, I hold all religions in equal contempt. I do however agree with your points about the need for bringing Islam into 21st Century, but I feel that is far more to do with globalisation than the actual tenets of the religion.
brahms
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265 posts since 15/2/12

16 Jun 2017 15:38
Weird how all the home grown islamic terrorists sprung up in the last decade and a half when Islamic orthodoxy has been instructing its followers to wage war for thousands of years. Wonder how we managed to stop all of the muslim immigrants in the 60s and 70s from blowing themselves up? Maybe islam needs to go back in time rather than get a second wave!

Or… the factors that are related to this are modern and socioeconomic rather than religious

But yeah jordan, spout some shit about how you hate all religions equally even though you only come up with numbers about one religion's backwards views. "90% of muslims don't believe in gay marriage they need to sort themselves out not sure how many roman catholics or hindus don't believe in it and I didn't go looking for comparative stats adjusted for income and education level but I'm sure other religions do much better."

You're a fucking idiot. I know it's pointless typing this up because you'll just post some coy emojis and get back to reminding yourself how brilliant your analysis is but I've been reading your drivel in this thread for years and years and it's always depressed me to know you're a real person who can vote and own heavy machinery.
deuce
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13644 posts since 21/1/08

16 Jun 2017 15:51
islam is a hot topic these days m9, especially in this thread. that might be why its often talked about, including by myself.