General Discussion: Religion thread


inversesquare
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6667 posts since 7/6/08

3 Apr 2010 01:25
Now incorporating faith and belief.
bill
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4924 posts since 5/8/09

3 Apr 2010 01:31
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o&hl=en_US&fs=1&;
troll
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3571 posts since 30/1/10

3 Apr 2010 01:53
Laughing out loud
troll
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3571 posts since 30/1/10

3 Apr 2010 01:57
Bill Hicks - AMERICAN: The Bill Hicks Story Official Trailer - redband;

Pure. Comic. Genius!
King_Kong
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1672 posts since 20/10/09

3 Apr 2010 01:58
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stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 02:28
I almost created this. But then I didn't think it'd go on so much. No cross of st peter kong? Eye-wink
andymakesglasses
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20298 posts since 26/1/06

3 Apr 2010 02:59
Farrell wrote: I know what I believe.

That's one thing, what I don't understand is the need for organised religion. Surely what you believe in is enough in itself for an intelligent person?

bresone wrote: but you believe in something which does not exist? Fact.

Can you prove that it doesn't exist?

troll wrote: I just don't understand why folk feel the need to follow and be guided in their life. I'm not saying everyone should lead because that won't happen but think people should think for oneself and question why? People should have more tolerance and understanding in one another's faith as a believer or a non-believer and should not have the others views stuffed down thier throat.

This is pretty much word-for-word my view on the subject.

Serbia
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4932 posts since 22/3/06

3 Apr 2010 03:05
andymakesglasses wrote:
Farrell wrote: I know what I believe.

That's one thing, what I don't understand is the need for organised religion. Surely what you believe in is enough in itself for an intelligent person?

bresone wrote: but you believe in something which does not exist? Fact.

Can you prove that it doesn't exist?

There may be fairies at the bottom of the garden. There is no evidence for it, but you can't prove that there aren't any, so shouldn't we be agnostic with respect to fairies?
andymakesglasses
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20298 posts since 26/1/06

3 Apr 2010 03:11
There's plenty of evidence for fairies at the bottom of the garden, most of it dubious Laughing out loud

If you take the position of agnosticism with fairies, then why not with gods?
stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 03:21
bresone wrote:
Farrell wrote: dude just because you quote something doesn't make it right. Use your own words. Can you possibly accept the idea that I'm not brainwashed and intelligent enough to evaluate things myself? Or is my belief now proof beyond anything else that I'm stupid?

Troll in my distilling of christianity I've gotten that the idea is that repentance of sins is the key to heaven. In my opinion that isn't reliant on belief, just the will not to be a cunt all the time and the realisation of a bigger picture (and I don't mean one that has to include god). But I don't know.

I might as well add that dogma isn't my strong suit, I don't know that any strain of religion completely fits with how I feel god.

Laughing out loud Why use my own words when Dennet, Dawkins et al… some of the greatest Minds of our lifetime argue against any form of religion so beautifully and concisely. I simply dont feel i need to add anyhting else to it.

I feel (and i think you might agree) based on the last sentence of your last post, your personal feeling of a "a god" doesnt fit in with traditional Christian Theology. Maybe it might be worth delving in a to Dawkins book.


It's lazy, and a bit disrespectful to someone you're engaging with to just meet them with a borrowed quip. If I were better read maybe we could just trade quotes of Dawkins and Pascal (and the rest) all day. I think that my feeling may or may not fit with christianity, and the symbolism used in it, though I doubt it will fit with all of the dogma. That may be arrogance on my part or just staying true to my belief/feeling - I'd rather stick to the second. I haven't got anything against richard dawkins at the moment, especially his work on evolution (I'm not a creationist).

Is there an underlying suggestion to your post though?
stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 03:25
andymakesglasses wrote:
Farrell wrote: I know what I believe.

That's one thing, what I don't understand is the need for organised religion. Surely what you believe in is enough in itself for an intelligent person?

I really enjoy church (I go to a pentecostal service), though I haven't been going for all that long. Plus I want to investigate my belief, dig into it more. Organised church can help me with this and possibly get me more in touch with god/my beliefs and all that. Which I'd welcome. But I wouldn't create a thread or report on it in here.

Also I realise the power of music on emotions, especially when it's you performing. Singing something you feel always feels so much more powerful (usually gospel and blues for me) - singing in gospel choir is something amazing to me. The feeling in that is one of the best feelings I ever have.
andymakesglasses
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20298 posts since 26/1/06

3 Apr 2010 03:28
I'd imagine that gospel singing loses some of it's power when performed on your own without organisation Laughing out loud
stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 03:33
I dunno man, my shower might say different Laughing out loud

But yeah, people singing together, especially with harmonies (and leads) can (I would say does but you never know) have quite an emotive effect. Some people don't seem to recognise it. I do, and do try to keep on top of what is responsible for what feeling.
louyork
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245 posts since 8/1/09

3 Apr 2010 04:11
collizhun
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3880 posts since 19/10/06

3 Apr 2010 06:34
i chopped a slug up with a plastic spade when i was about 8 and i prayed to god afterwards saying i was sorry. i hope hes real…because if not i still feel bad about that.
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

3 Apr 2010 09:16
i dont believe in god one little inch, but i still pray to him whenever ive been in court and it looks like a custodial.

even kanye got it right.

And I don't think there is nothing I can do now to right my wrongs

I want to talk to God but I'm afraid because we ain't spoke in so long
Foxtrot
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2466 posts since 8/4/09

3 Apr 2010 09:52
fuck dawkins
eliotness
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1506 posts since 1/2/09

3 Apr 2010 09:53
any fukers who aren't christian or agnostic?
Guido
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12884 posts since 20/4/05

3 Apr 2010 10:17
anybody with religious beliefs is a brainwashed idiot in my book.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

3 Apr 2010 10:18
no word of a lie, at 05:11 this morning a massive thunderclap errupted right outside. the loudest I've ever heard. so much so that I literally leapt out of bed and looked outside thinking that the world was unleashing a mighty storm upon me.

Sad