Menswear: The 'Rough And Rugged' Thread.


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oldgregg
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21 May 2015 22:05
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21 May 2015 22:07
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21 May 2015 22:09
EssexBoyII
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21 May 2015 22:40
Laughing out loud
beedub
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22 May 2015 08:58
Mr Porter now stocking Blackmeans…
Forper
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23 May 2015 11:49
beedub wrote: That's the main/ only reason I don't really bother with RRL, can't get past the made in China tag, especially for the money. I know it doesn't have the same negative connotations these days, they've got the experience, but as soon as I see made in China on the tags, I'm immediately put off.

Chinese factories have been able to output decent quality for a long time. w)taps outerwear at its technically complex peak was all made in China way back in 2001. You cannot fault the gear, everything is perfect and I've been using some of the jackets since they first released and they're still without rips or damage.

China can make ANYTHING, good or bad quality. It's just a matter of what foreign brands want to spend on quality control there. China WAS a lower labour cost country but that's changing.

You will notice these days that a lot more stuff is made in Japan as well as the US. This is because Japanese and US labour costs are decreasing while Chinese are increasing and it's just not worth it as much anymore to make in China. Made in Japan/US also still carries a sense of prestige because for a long time not much was made in either country and anything that was, was prized. The truth is that it just economically makes sense to manufacture in the US and Japan again because of lower comparitive labour costs but also because of other factors (cost of power/rents/logistics). The brands are also cashing in on that prestige and that's one more factor that makes it make sense to make in Japan or the US again..
beedub
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23 May 2015 13:19
Yeah, I'm just being a snob.
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23 May 2015 18:08
All good points. But RRL simply overpriced to begin with, and other brands can do JP / USA made for less at arguably the same or better quality without the buying power and clout Ralph have.

I'm sure JP and USA garment factory work is no walk in the park, but at least those countries have some semblance of a minimum wage!
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23 May 2015 23:42
I mean at first I didn't like that my parasmock was made in China when I finally found the tag. But everything about it is perfect, from the weight, cut, materials, details. and I'm sure TET and Shin found the best factory for the job and put a close eye on each and every jacket. So it doesn't bother me.

For technical wear that's complex to make Americans can do it well but on a small scale. Proven by their pioneering technical outdoor brands in the 70s where stuff would literally be constructed in a caravan in the forest (Moonstone). Mass production of clothing in the US has traditionally been for workers, Kmarts, Walmarts and US Military where cost is the main factor, quality, details and materials are more basic. If I wanted a high spec piece made on a contract (ie the maker is not the designer) I'd send it to (the right factory in) China as well.
Sayword
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24 May 2015 02:29
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posted 24 May 2015 10:54, edited 24 May 2015 10:54
For me, the reason RRL's Chinese provenance is unappealing is that the whole brand is based on the premise of authentic Americana. But then I can't stand anything that's been distressed anyway, I find the idea of some anonymous factory worker in the Far East roughing up a pair of jeans so that you can look like a real-life cowboy absolutely laughable.
Crackajack
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24 May 2015 11:34
Co-sign.

For a tech brand made in China makes more sense.
DELFOR
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28 May 2015 18:21
Urban outfitters have started selling some of Japanese mags, free and easy, lightning etc here in UK.

Strange considering what they stock clothing wise
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29 May 2015 17:51
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29 May 2015 18:37
DELFOR wrote: Urban outfitters have started selling some of Japanese mags, free and easy, lightning etc here in UK.

Strange considering what they stock clothing wise

Which stores and how much?

Would be good to get with discounts etc.
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posted 29 May 2015 18:53, edited 29 May 2015 18:53
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29 May 2015 18:53
Fläsket wrote:
is this capital? I seen these mocs befor, an obscure brand
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29 May 2015 18:55
edlo wrote: Can anyone tell me brands they like with a similar style to RRL? I really like the style of their stuff, but cannot come anywhere near to being able to afford the RRP
what r u looking for? standard R&R gear, or their dressier stuff
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29 May 2015 19:00
Sayword wrote:
edlo wrote: Can anyone tell me brands they like with a similar style to RRL? I really like the style of their stuff, but cannot come anywhere near to being able to afford the RRP
what r u looking for? standard R&R gear, or their dressier stuff

Standard R&R I think, like their western/americana style shirts/jackets/knits
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29 May 2015 19:13
how much r u trying to spend?
edlo wrote:
Sayword wrote:
edlo wrote: Can anyone tell me brands they like with a similar style to RRL? I really like the style of their stuff, but cannot come anywhere near to being able to afford the RRP
what r u looking for? standard R&R gear, or their dressier stuff

Standard R&R I think, like their western/americana style shirts/jackets/knits