General Discussion: The Running Thread


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generic_guy
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10230 posts since 16/9/02

15 Jul 2022 11:32
If you're walking rather than running there are some Hoka shoes that might be good.
Davinho
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2471 posts since 2/12/08

15 Jul 2022 12:13
+1 for the Hokas, Kaha low are brilliant.
swiftus
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1876 posts since 1/7/09

15 Jul 2022 14:01
I wear Ultraboosts to work, very comfy.

Do want to try the Hokas to see how they compare.
Kadafi39
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2193 posts since 30/10/09

10 Aug 2022 13:36
I've been running around 100 miles per month for about 18 months now, had a few slight injuries which all have healed fine and no issues with injuries for awhile now, however, lately I feel very lethargic, legs feel achy and tired after runs and having a few days off doesn't really help. I last ran on Sunday, ran again this morning and feel muscle pain and achy legs.

Don't really want to have a week+ off, but feeling like it might be the answer, anyone had similar?
figurine
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6215 posts since 14/5/07

posted 10 Aug 2022 13:44, edited 10 Aug 2022 13:44
I used this during marathon training and found it helped with tired legs, getting extra sleep also seemed to really help. Think it was a lot cheaper on Amazon too.

https://www.hollandandbarrett.com/shop/product/betteryou-magnesium-oil-spray-original-60003889?skuid=041364

Could also be worth having an easy week, don't stop running altogether but reduce your mileage by about 25-30% for the week, run everything at a fairly easy pace as well, no workouts/hills etc.
smith
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11793 posts since 5/5/04

10 Aug 2022 13:49
Yes. I put it down to age though. 40 now. How old are you?

100 miles per month for 18 months is a very decent amount for any age group if you ask me.

For me I found taking zinc everyday has helped. It may be just a placebo effect but if it helps it helps.


If you're feeling tired after runs, if possible then only run evenings so you can be tired after and go to bed. Can feel physically exhausted some evenings but if running is routine your body copes well enough and then you sleep like a baby after.
Kadafi39
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2193 posts since 30/10/09

10 Aug 2022 15:57
Thanks guys will check out the supplements, im 35 Smith and unfortunately can't run in the evenings because of babies also don't think id have the will after a day at work and 2 kids tearing the house apart from 6 til 9!

Fig - I had an easy week last week, dropped 2 of my normal 5 or 6 runs in the week and it didn't really help in all honesty!
smith
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11793 posts since 5/5/04

10 Aug 2022 16:18
You are maybe running too much for your work/family life/age . Does it have to be 100 miles a month? Can you drop that slightly?

Say aim for 1000 miles a year. Equates to 83 miles a month.

Monday 5 miles (Morning) YOUR EASY PACE
Tuesday 6 miles (Morning) YOUR EASY PACE with SPRINT FINISH
Wednesday 6 miles (Morning) YOUR EASY PACE with SPRINT FINISH
Thursday REST
Friday REST
Saturday 4 miles (as fast as you can)
Sunday REST

Rest days are as important as running days. You can even move the weekend run to Sunday if need be if your body wants another day off. Just be a tough bastard for the first 3 days of the week Smiling
mikon_nikon
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170 posts since 10/12/16

10 Aug 2022 16:31
I had similar issues with cycling - legs just never happy after a couple of years of feeling really strong - and found that dedicated rest really helped.

I slightly upped my effort / load 3 weeks out of every 4, and then significantly reduced it for the 4th week. so I cycle 6 days out of 7 for 3 weeks and then 3 days on the 4th week. it seems to have helped a lot. I also take magnesium after most rides (although there's little scientific evidence it does anything, but lots of anecdotal) and try to eat more protein than I was previously.

have you also thought about seasonal factors that could be contributing? hay fever, increased temp, change in diet? have you had Covid? I know a couple people who've had lethargy & leg pains linked to long Covid…
oldgregg
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6400 posts since 13/4/02

posted 10 Aug 2022 16:33, edited 10 Aug 2022 16:33
Kadafi39 wrote: I've been running around 100 miles per month for about 18 months now, had a few slight injuries which all have healed fine and no issues with injuries for awhile now, however, lately I feel very lethargic, legs feel achy and tired after runs and having a few days off doesn't really help. I last ran on Sunday, ran again this morning and feel muscle pain and achy legs.

Don't really want to have a week+ off, but feeling like it might be the answer, anyone had similar?

I had a bit of a dip with achy legs and general fatigue a year or so ago, I run lounger distances so my solution was to cut my carb intake to <50g a day, was a couple of tough weeks getting the body to run on fat reserves but once it kicked in it worked a charm. I do 500-600k/months and before the carb cut some weeks could be rough, now hardly feel them plus resting heart rate dropped approx 10 beats in an instance.
smith
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11793 posts since 5/5/04

posted 10 Aug 2022 16:43, edited 10 Aug 2022 16:43
oldgregg wrote:
Kadafi39 wrote: I've been running around 100 miles per month for about 18 months now, had a few slight injuries which all have healed fine and no issues with injuries for awhile now, however, lately I feel very lethargic, legs feel achy and tired after runs and having a few days off doesn't really help. I last ran on Sunday, ran again this morning and feel muscle pain and achy legs.

Don't really want to have a week+ off, but feeling like it might be the answer, anyone had similar?

I had a bit of a dip with achy legs and general fatigue a year or so ago, I run lounger distances so my solution was to cut my carb intake to <50g a day, was a couple of tough weeks getting the body to run on fat reserves but once it kicked in it worked a charm. I do 500-600k/months and before the carb cut some weeks could be rough, now hardly feel them plus resting heart rate dropped approx 10 beats in an instance.

This is of course a totally different type of running machine! Ubercool

I take it you have no rest days oldgregg? Can I ask how much you weigh? At 85kg I could only dream of running 200km a month without getting injured.


Seasonal factors are a good shout. Here are mine:

Winter: Too bloody windy
Spring: Too hot
Summer: Too hot
Autumn: Too bloody windy

I actually hate running. Only do it for that high I get on completing a run and the very rare occasion when everything feels in sync for a change and I do enjoy it. The hardest part of running for me is getting my shoes on and out the front door. Hence I need targets or I wouldn't do it.

Anyone that runs 600km or even just 50km a month deserves a bloody medal in my book.
oldgregg
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6400 posts since 13/4/02

10 Aug 2022 17:09
^around 72-73kg/185cm, could ideally be a bit lighter but i look like i have aids if i go below 70 so try to avoid that.
smith
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11793 posts since 5/5/04

10 Aug 2022 17:31
Fair fucking play with that weight/height ratio and running the distances you do.

I watch this video every once in a while for inspiration when I'm feeling sluggish. Never did manage to run a sub 20 minute 5k before my 40th but the dream hasn't died so long as I keep running. I will get there one day. (20:41 best effort to date).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jybhsokKuWA
staygold
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5096 posts since 21/11/05

11 Aug 2022 07:08
Anyone interested in a pair of Norda 001? U.K. 10, never worn, no box. I have two pairs so don’t need these
Kadafi39
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2193 posts since 30/10/09

11 Aug 2022 10:41
smith wrote: You are maybe running too much for your work/family life/age . Does it have to be 100 miles a month? Can you drop that slightly?

Say aim for 1000 miles a year. Equates to 83 miles a month.

Monday 5 miles (Morning) YOUR EASY PACE
Tuesday 6 miles (Morning) YOUR EASY PACE with SPRINT FINISH
Wednesday 6 miles (Morning) YOUR EASY PACE with SPRINT FINISH
Thursday REST
Friday REST
Saturday 4 miles (as fast as you can)
Sunday REST

Rest days are as important as running days. You can even move the weekend run to Sunday if need be if your body wants another day off. Just be a tough bastard for the first 3 days of the week Smiling

I could drop it slightly, but tbh I'm in this routine now where I feel like ive wasted a day if I don't get a work out in.
My routine is quite similar to what you posted above, but an extra day or two running and on my off days I lift weights or do a HIIT work out or skip for 40 odd mins.
Kadafi39
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2193 posts since 30/10/09

11 Aug 2022 10:47
mikon_nikon wrote: I had similar issues with cycling - legs just never happy after a couple of years of feeling really strong - and found that dedicated rest really helped.

I slightly upped my effort / load 3 weeks out of every 4, and then significantly reduced it for the 4th week. so I cycle 6 days out of 7 for 3 weeks and then 3 days on the 4th week. it seems to have helped a lot. I also take magnesium after most rides (although there's little scientific evidence it does anything, but lots of anecdotal) and try to eat more protein than I was previously.

have you also thought about seasonal factors that could be contributing? hay fever, increased temp, change in diet? have you had Covid? I know a couple people who've had lethargy & leg pains linked to long Covid…

Think I may need to bite the bullet and just give my legs a rest, but have been on a cut for a while now and just scared of gaining weight!

I dont think seasonal factors are an issue tbh, I love the heat ad enjoy running in summer. I had covid about 4 months ago, but ran everyday I tested positive as I was asymptomatic thankfully. Diet may be a factor though as I am at a deficit and always run fasted.
oldgregg wrote:
Kadafi39 wrote: I've been running around 100 miles per month for about 18 months now, had a few slight injuries which all have healed fine and no issues with injuries for awhile now, however, lately I feel very lethargic, legs feel achy and tired after runs and having a few days off doesn't really help. I last ran on Sunday, ran again this morning and feel muscle pain and achy legs.

Don't really want to have a week+ off, but feeling like it might be the answer, anyone had similar?

I had a bit of a dip with achy legs and general fatigue a year or so ago, I run lounger distances so my solution was to cut my carb intake to <50g a day, was a couple of tough weeks getting the body to run on fat reserves but once it kicked in it worked a charm. I do 500-600k/months and before the carb cut some weeks could be rough, now hardly feel them plus resting heart rate dropped approx 10 beats in an instance.

That is some crazy distance mate! Might try lowering carbs to use fat.

Your resting rate must have been low before at this sort of mileage, must be around 45 now? Mines around 52 usually.
macca
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289 posts since 28/10/09

13 Aug 2022 00:43
Kadafi39 wrote: I've been running around 100 miles per month for about 18 months now, had a few slight injuries which all have healed fine and no issues with injuries for awhile now, however, lately I feel very lethargic, legs feel achy and tired after runs and having a few days off doesn't really help. I last ran on Sunday, ran again this morning and feel muscle pain and achy legs.

Don't really want to have a week+ off, but feeling like it might be the answer, anyone had similar?

Would advise maybe looking at magnesium, both the spray for your legs and the supplement is good will encourage recovery also iron is pretty important so would look at that as well along with hydration and healthy diet

Normal generic marathon programmes will at least have one day a week off normally the day after your longest run so if it’s advised at that level I’d suggest maybe looking at it as and when you feel like it

Again easy/recovery days are advised, if doing recovery days there’s no prize for doing them too quick as slow as possible getting the legs moved

Foam rolling, mobility the dreaded ice baths can help
Biggest thing sleep can’t be over looked if increasing mileage and sessions then that’s probably most important
Most importantly it’s about finding what works for you

I try and incorporate all I’ve said but I still have a couple of tired weeks beginning of my marathon blocks
It most normally will pass but looking after yourself will help

Kadafi39
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2193 posts since 30/10/09

posted 15 Aug 2022 13:37, edited 15 Aug 2022 13:37
Thanks Macca, I have ordered some zinc/magnesium and a foam roller and had a total day off today after 2 steady 8k's over the weekend so hoping the fatigue will pass.

A few people have mentioned sleep I think that may be a big factor also, have a 3 year old and a 6 month old, so my sleep pattern is truly fucked at present, be lucky to get 6 hours straight most night.
macca
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289 posts since 28/10/09

16 Aug 2022 11:10
Kadafi39 wrote: Thanks Macca, I have ordered some zinc/magnesium and a foam roller and had a total day off today after 2 steady 8k's over the weekend so hoping the fatigue will pass.

A few people have mentioned sleep I think that may be a big factor also, have a 3 year old and a 6 month old, so my sleep pattern is truly fucked at present, be lucky to get 6 hours straight most night.

No worries mate
Life gets in the way always good to adjust any training your doing to suit

Another thing look to drop the paces in the hot weather if your forced out in the afternoons or even split the run if you can

Loads of things some will work other won’t but always good to get a feel what others do and practice.