General Discussion: The Running Thread


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themistake
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10810 posts since 20/2/06

28 Jan 2021 09:29
Complete n00b question here.
I was talking to my neighbour about his new garmin smart watch and it just sounded like a poor version of what I imagine an Apple Watch is.

With an Apple Watch can you…

Take it out running without your phone and still use.

Strava
Nike running app
Full use of Spotify

?
beardywierdy
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686 posts since 8/1/13

28 Jan 2021 09:39
Did my first post Covid run yesterday. Managed 3 miles in 45 minutes! Breathing was all over the place.

Feel ok today but will have to take it easy still when running
MrW
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2959 posts since 1/8/11

28 Jan 2021 10:10
themistake wrote: Complete n00b question here.
I was talking to my neighbour about his new garmin smart watch and it just sounded like a poor version of what I imagine an Apple Watch is.

With an Apple Watch can you…

Take it out running without your phone and still use.

Strava
Nike running app
Full use of Spotify

?

Plenty of Garmins allow full use of Spotify. Not sure why you'd want to use Strava or Nike running app on a Garmin when the native Garmin o/s provides a far greater depth of data and functionality. There are some Strava apps you can get for Garmin, such as Relative Effort, if that's your thing. Garmin and Strava accounts connect, so any activity on your Garmin gets automatically loaded to Strava (albeit with a shedload of data missing that Strava can't handle / doesn't use).

Garmins, such as Fenix or FR range, are designed solely for sports / multi-sports. They use ANT+, allowing you to connect multiple devices at once - heart rate monitor, power meter, foot pod, Varia light etc - while connecting your headphones via bluetooth. Apple watch allows 2 bt connections max - heart rate monitor and headphones, or heart rate monitor and power meter.

The biggest one is a Garmin will easily last a week, worn 24/7, with 60-90 mins of GPS activity per day. Some, such as Fenix or higher end FRs, will handle an iron distance tri or 24 ultra marathon on a single charge. This won't be applicable to most casual users but is essential for some.

Apple watches are great, they're a swiss army knife of a smartwatch that can be used for sports, and are more than enough for most people. Think a lot of people now see top end Garmins and buy them purely because they're expensive rather than wanting to use all the available functions.
smith
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11159 posts since 5/5/04

28 Jan 2021 10:42
beardywierdy wrote: Did my first post Covid run yesterday. Managed 3 miles in 45 minutes! Breathing was all over the place.

Feel ok today but will have to take it easy still when running

Great effort. Cool

I know a couple of people who got covid back in April last year and are now running again and fitter, stronger than before. Stick with it. All about getting out there as much as possible now.
Davinho
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2345 posts since 2/12/08

28 Jan 2021 10:51
Beardy Cool
generic_guy
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9845 posts since 16/9/02

28 Jan 2021 10:55
You can’t use Spotify without your phone, even if you have data on your watch.
Not a huge amount of point having data on an Apple watch I don’t think, cancelled mine.
bungleski
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482 posts since 21/7/11

28 Jan 2021 10:58
smith wrote:
beardywierdy wrote: Did my first post Covid run yesterday. Managed 3 miles in 45 minutes! Breathing was all over the place.

Feel ok today but will have to take it easy still when running

Great effort. Cool

I know a couple of people who got covid back in April last year and are now running again and fitter, stronger than before. Stick with it. All about getting out there as much as possible now.

This.
I really struggled first run after COVID and even 2 weeks on from then I’m not back to where I was before Christmas. But I can tell it’s getting easier with each run. I’ve stopped worrying about my times and focussing on going the distance for now
smith
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11159 posts since 5/5/04

28 Jan 2021 11:06
Runtastic (now Adidas running) installed to an old iPhone 4S, strapped to my arm and don't even notice it's there. GPS on it is very accurate and beats any GARMIN watch.

Will pick up an iPhone 5S at some point based on this data and should be good for a few more years.

https://fellrnr.com/wiki/GPS_Accuracy
MrW
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2959 posts since 1/8/11

28 Jan 2021 11:07
generic_guy wrote: You can’t use Spotify without your phone, even if you have data on your watch.
Not a huge amount of point having data on an Apple watch I don’t think, cancelled mine.

Looks like this has changed:

https://www.whathifi.com/news/spotify-has-finally-added-standalone-streaming-to-its-apple-watch-app

For Garmins, playlists are sync'd with the watch and tracks loaded directly onto watch's storage, no phone or wifi / cellular data connection required:

https://support.garmin.com/en-GB/?faq=cY9aPeefXh3MIcEyD0zOl9&productID;=612476&tab;=topics

Scottishmark
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766 posts since 25/1/11

28 Jan 2021 11:25
It’s class on garmin. Also handy because two people can use the same Spotify account at the same time to listen to music on two different watches.
themistake
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10810 posts since 20/2/06

29 Jan 2021 01:11
Cheers for the extensive info guys.

I’m still not sure which to go for mind you.

GPS accuracy really annoys me tbh.
On a 10k run, on the same iPhone my strava and Nike app will see 0.4K difference.
Seventyfour
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9300 posts since 6/10/05

29 Jan 2021 06:13
I can't really comment on the Apple watch, but the GPS on my Garmin is so much better than on my Samsung phone and the wife's old Iphone.
Strava used to mess up all the time on the phone. if you loose a gps signal on the phone strava would try to piece it back together and you would end up with ridiculous personal bests, the wife as a kom on a segment where she run about half a k in 16 seconds or something stupid.

Since using the garmin it's only messed up my mapping twice, and I'm pretty sure the end data was correct anyway.
themistake
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10810 posts since 20/2/06

29 Jan 2021 07:41
I always feel like strava messes up whenever there’s an iOS update.
Davinho
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2345 posts since 2/12/08

29 Jan 2021 08:47
I use an Apple Watch and it does everything I need it to, even though I know a Garmin has more features/is more accurate.
On the strava issue, I always record my runs using the Apple workout feature on the watch and upload to strava afterwards and have never had a problem with it messing up. When I was carrying my phone and recording straight from strava, before the watch, it would fuck up regularly.
Jesus
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6059 posts since 7/10/08

29 Jan 2021 11:55
as other have said, its mainly down to the battery

I bought an Apple cellular watch a few years ago, on the thought that I wouldn't have to take my phone out cycling with me, the reality is, that I still took it, on the times I've forgot to charge my wahoo headunit the battery on the Apple Watch only lasted 3hrs and didn't record any other metrics,

I've recently switched to a Fenix 6 Pro, as it does music/garmin pay and the battery life is so much better and if I need to it can connect to my HRM, Powermeter etc
Scottishmark
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766 posts since 25/1/11

29 Jan 2021 12:05
I think if your main use is running then Garmin is the best bet. If not then perhaps Apple.
ODB
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3563 posts since 21/6/06

posted 29 Jan 2021 13:11, edited 29 Jan 2021 13:11
I went from Apple to Garmin, Garmin defo better if your into all the data it collects from runs etc
I sold my Apple and now miss it tbh
In 2 minds to switch back as apple can do the lot
Anyone seem any decent deals on a 6 ?
andrew_
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591 posts since 23/1/10

29 Jan 2021 16:58
Davinho wrote: I always record my runs using the Apple workout feature on the watch and upload to strava afterwards and have never had a problem with it messing up.

Yeah this^

Love the apple watch more than I thought I would.

Can sync podcasts or Apple Music stuff to it, it's great to go out with just watch, headphones and keys,.
smith
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11159 posts since 5/5/04

posted 29 Jan 2021 17:07, edited 29 Jan 2021 17:07
I gave Strava a trial. It was always having me finish at a different finishing point for my usual run. Went back to Runtastic. Accurate to the final metre. Never going to change again.
ODB
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3563 posts since 21/6/06

29 Jan 2021 18:11
andrew_ wrote:
Davinho wrote: I always record my runs using the Apple workout feature on the watch and upload to strava afterwards and have never had a problem with it messing up.

Yeah this^

Love the apple watch more than I thought I would.

Can sync podcasts or Apple Music stuff to it, it's great to go out with just watch, headphones and keys,.

You cop the cellular then mate?