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Serbia
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4932 posts since 22/3/06

3 Apr 2010 00:04
King_Kong wrote:
bresone wrote:
King_Kong wrote: howay man.
have you heard yourselfs, why do you care what farrell believes in?
its not like he's been selling fake supreme on ebay.

The kindly God who lovingly fashioned each and every one of us and sprinkled the sky with shining stars for our delight - that God is, like Santa Claus, a myth of childhood, not anything a sane, undeluded adult could literally believe in
true, but if you could reason with religious people there wouldn't be any religious people.

your dam right! Cool

Richard Dawkins wrote: Faith is the great cop-out, the great excuse to evade the need to think and evaluate evidence. Faith is belief in spite of, even perhaps because of, the lack of evidence.

stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 00:13
The only thing you can't reason with religious people about is the lack of scientifically acceptable evidence to base belief on.

In a way the difference with between religious people and non-religious people is that religious people attribute the unexplained to god, non-religious people attribute it to nothing and are fine with that [no judgement]. Things like life, existance, evolution, sentience, gravity and electomagnetic forces etc are, to me, gods work. To you I guess they are just the mysteries of the universe as yet unexplained.

bill
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4930 posts since 5/8/09

3 Apr 2010 00:16
Farrell wrote: In a way the difference with between religious people and non-religious people is that religious people attribute the unexplained to god, non-religious people attribute it to nothing and are fine with that [no judgement]. Things like life, existance, evolution, sentience, gravity and electomagnetic forces etc are, to me, gods work. To you I guess they are just the mysteries of the universe as yet unexplained.






troll
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3571 posts since 30/1/10

3 Apr 2010 00:20
Farrell wrote:
EVERS wrote: i believe plastic bags exist but i don't blow up folk, build cathedrals or sing songs in their name.

plastic bags have a point.

But you liken god to plastic bags in that they are man made for a purpose, which is where we differ.

Just so we can be clear, I've not blown anyone up, nor even built a cathedral. i have sung songs but that didn't hurt anyone, and only helped others (in that they enjoyed it, and helped them in their spirituality for that moment).

I don't fully understand god and I don't think anyone does really. I believe in god and feel god, and I get that others don't and I get why. I don't want to force belief on anyone, I rose to troll becuase i think the view that religion has done no good and only bad was grossly incorrect.

So Kong I think I started it to be fair.

I actually retracted my post to a degree and corrected myself.

You can't compare plastic bags to a religion! Yes to many it's all man made and if so both have a point. But to the point of view of a believer that is never going to be the case and you'll never win that argument. To be honest that is a gross mis-comparison.

I'm not a believer or even a fan but organised religion whether you like it or not has had an very important role in the the shaping the very fabric of society and how people think and act many of which are imo bad but also there has been lots of good too. And all this way before Christ (or any other modern religion), the Greeks or the Romans.

I just don't understand why folk feel the need to follow and be guided in their life. I'm not saying everyone should lead because that won't happen but think people should think for oneself and question why? People should have more tolerance and understanding in one another's faith as a believer or a non-believer and should not have the others views stuffed down thier throat.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

3 Apr 2010 00:27
Farrell wrote:
EVERS wrote: i believe plastic bags exist but i don't blow up folk, build cathedrals or sing songs in their name.

plastic bags have a point.

But you liken god to plastic bags in that they are man made for a purpose, which is where we differ.

Just so we can be clear, I've not blown anyone up, nor even built a cathedral. i have sung songs but that didn't hurt anyone, and only helped others (in that they enjoyed it, and helped them in their spirituality for that moment).

I don't fully understand god and I don't think anyone does really. I believe in god and feel god, and I get that others don't and I get why. I don't want to force belief on anyone, I rose to troll becuase i think the view that religion has done no good and only bad was grossly incorrect.

So Kong I think I started it to be fair.

I do understand bull and why others are culturally subscribed to it due to hereditary indoctrine.

troll
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3571 posts since 30/1/10

3 Apr 2010 00:39
EVERS wrote:
Farrell wrote:
EVERS wrote: i believe plastic bags exist but i don't blow up folk, build cathedrals or sing songs in their name.

plastic bags have a point.

But you liken god to plastic bags in that they are man made for a purpose, which is where we differ.

Just so we can be clear, I've not blown anyone up, nor even built a cathedral. i have sung songs but that didn't hurt anyone, and only helped others (in that they enjoyed it, and helped them in their spirituality for that moment).

I don't fully understand god and I don't think anyone does really. I believe in god and feel god, and I get that others don't and I get why. I don't want to force belief on anyone, I rose to troll becuase i think the view that religion has done no good and only bad was grossly incorrect.

So Kong I think I started it to be fair.

I do understand bull and why others are culturally subscribed to it due to hereditary indoctrine.

Now you're talking politics!
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

3 Apr 2010 00:43
one at a time Smiling
Serbia
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4932 posts since 22/3/06

3 Apr 2010 00:46
EVERS wrote:
Farrell wrote:
EVERS wrote: i believe plastic bags exist but i don't blow up folk, build cathedrals or sing songs in their name.

plastic bags have a point.

But you liken god to plastic bags in that they are man made for a purpose, which is where we differ.

Just so we can be clear, I've not blown anyone up, nor even built a cathedral. i have sung songs but that didn't hurt anyone, and only helped others (in that they enjoyed it, and helped them in their spirituality for that moment).

I don't fully understand god and I don't think anyone does really. I believe in god and feel god, and I get that others don't and I get why. I don't want to force belief on anyone, I rose to troll becuase i think the view that religion has done no good and only bad was grossly incorrect.

So Kong I think I started it to be fair.

I do understand bull and why others are culturally subscribed to it due to hereditary indoctrine.

and that's the saddest part about it, summed up in this quote Cry

It is an interesting and demonstrable fact, that all children are atheists and were religion not inculcated into their minds, they would remain so
troll
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3571 posts since 30/1/10

3 Apr 2010 00:50
Why it's all bollocks Laughing out loud

(jokes)
DuffMan
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14381 posts since 21/2/07

3 Apr 2010 00:53
billhicks wrote:
Farrell wrote: In a way the difference with between religious people and non-religious people is that religious people attribute the unexplained to god, non-religious people attribute it to nothing and are fine with that [no judgement]. Things like life, existance, evolution, sentience, gravity and electomagnetic forces etc are, to me, gods work. To you I guess they are just the mysteries of the universe as yet unexplained.


Laughing out loud Laughing out loud

stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 00:54
I'm not sure they would remain so. I do agree people's propensity towards being led and believing what they are told has led to religion being exploited, which is heinous and really very sad along with the crimes comitted.

evers I don't care what you understand anymore. I am not culturally subscribed to religion through hereditary doctrine. I didn't come back to religion and haven't been a believer all my life.
Serbia
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4932 posts since 22/3/06

3 Apr 2010 01:03
Farrell wrote: I'm not sure they would remain so. I do agree people's propensity towards being led and believing what they are told has led to religion being exploited, which is heinous and really very sad along with the crimes comitted.

Of course they/we would all remain/be atheists Laughing out loud

richard dawkins wrote: God exists, if only in the form of a meme with high survival value, or infective power, in the environment provided by human culture”

I'm not being a hater by the way, i was born in dublin with catholocism as my presumed weapon of choice. I love science.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

3 Apr 2010 01:09
congratulations on a being an exception to billions of other believers and not caring about others understandings!

stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 01:15
Congratulations on being another smug athiest
troll
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3571 posts since 30/1/10

3 Apr 2010 01:17
If there was no religion from tomorrow, it just didn't exist, children wouldn't believe in God possibly but we as humans ask questions and either someone will make up a religion or will have an epiphany with God and religion will start that way. I think a belief in something is possibly in a humans make up and they will be someone that'll exploit that.

My girlfriend who is not religious says that having faith in it's purest form can possibly be a beautiful thing and maybe she's right.
bill
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4930 posts since 5/8/09

3 Apr 2010 01:18
I was christened when I was a baby. My parents aren't religious so I asked my mum why one time. She said "because it's the done thing".

troll wrote: I just don't understand why folk feel the need to follow and be guided in their life.


When I was in my teens I wondered if looking at pornography was bad so I looked it up in the bible and read interpretations of it to get an idea of where I stand when I get to the gates. Prior to that I hadn't really thought about it(god, religion etc) much but always assumed there was a god whom would one day judge me. I learnt that the christian faith(and most faiths actually) frown on pornography yet I very much liked it so I had to make a choice…..

I think aside from all the creationist nonsense and fairytales, people who have god or religion in their life for personal guidance/comfort etc are for the most part using it as some kind of third party go between to get the answers from themselves. Everyone has a conscious, a brain and a sense of right and wrong. A lot of the *rational* moral guidance that comes from religion is common sense that any sane person knows themselves already without needing a fear based religion to keep them on the straight and narrow.

I've been an explicit atheist a long time now and haven't yet raped or murdered anyone.




EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

3 Apr 2010 01:29
Farrell wrote: Congratulations on being another smug athiest

there's no such thing as an atheist.

inversesquare
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6682 posts since 7/6/08

3 Apr 2010 01:31
Yeah, we all know plastic bags exist.
Serbia
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4932 posts since 22/3/06

3 Apr 2010 01:32
Farrell wrote: Congratulations on being another smug athiest

Laughing out loud

richard dawkins wrote: Religious people split into three main groups when faced with science. I shall label them the 'know-nothings', the 'know-alls', and the 'no-contests'.

congratulations on being alive. don't hate Cool

Every living thing is, from the cosmic perspective, incredibly lucky simply to be alive. Most, 90 percent and more, of all the organisms that have ever lived have died without viable offspring, but not a single one of your ancestors, going back to the dawn of life on Earth, suffered that normal misfortune. You spring from an unbroken line of winners going back millions of generations, and those winners were, in every generation, the luckiest of the lucky, one out of a thousand or even a million. So however unlucky you may be on some occasion today, your presence on the planet testifies to the role luck has played in your past
stelfox
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8488 posts since 11/3/09

3 Apr 2010 01:32
EVERS wrote: there's no such thing as an atheist.

what?