General Discussion: So, from tomorrow ordering from Europe costs more ...


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-DiscoTits-
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930 posts since 26/11/07

4 Jan 2021 16:51
Arrived at the Border of Norway today for work and it took 45 minutes to clear. Stamp on my passport as well. Genuinely felt quite sad having to be so scrutinised and made to stand in the All other passport line.
gawkrodger
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7637 posts since 4/11/08

4 Jan 2021 16:53
i see a number of Italian stores have updated their site to remove Italian VAT when you have the UK set as your shipping destination
Hanto
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2997 posts since 30/11/09

4 Jan 2021 16:56
So from just speaking to HMRC, a package coming from Sweden, for example in this case suede boots is the following.

Measures for Sweden
Value added tax
20.00 %
Third country duty
16.00 %

Essentially any country is now Third Country (RoW), as EU was essentially Second Country before, but is no longer applicable.

The VAT is added to the combined value of:

Total of the item
The Third Country Duty.

So a pair of suede boots for £200 would be
£200 + 16% = £232
£232 + 20% = £278.40

Basically, this site is your new friend.

https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff

Unless they agree to mark down, which Pancho and Lefty won't. They have removed the Swedish VAT, as I say, though.
1234589
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951 posts since 1/6/10

4 Jan 2021 17:07
swede wrote: what will the duty rate be ontop of that? which courier was it? intrigued to here how you get on

One is DHL from Italy (due tomorrow), the other from France so presume Parcel Force once in the UK. Apparently the duty fee will be 12% on most men's clothes. If it's marked as a gift (which I asked them to do, but fuck knows if they'll do it) then it's only 2.5%.

More info on rates here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users/notice-143-a-guide-for-international-post-users

And a tariff search tool:

https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/sections



kozsie
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109 posts since 12/9/07

posted 4 Jan 2021 17:09, edited 4 Jan 2021 17:09
^ Yay, great.

Just messaged unrecorded in Holland to ask if they'd mark down as I'm after some items - their reply:

Unfortunately, that is something we can't answer yet. We have to discuss internally what the options are with regard to orders to England. If there is any change in this, we will inform you.

Hope to have informed you sufficiently.
swede
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9716 posts since 21/3/09

4 Jan 2021 17:09
Hanto wrote: So from just speaking to HMRC, a package coming from Sweden, for example in this case suede boots is the following.

Measures for Sweden
Value added tax
20.00 %
Third country duty
16.00 %

Essentially any country is now Third Country (RoW), as EU was essentially Second Country before, but is no longer applicable.

The VAT is added to the combined value of:

Total of the item
The Third Country Duty.

So a pair of suede boots for £200 would be
£200 + 16% = £232
£232 + 20% = £278.40

Basically, this site is your new friend.

https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff

Unless they agree to mark down, which Pancho and Lefty won't. They have removed the Swedish VAT, as I say, though.

+ handling fee ontop of that i assume Ubercool
morgan
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1125 posts since 22/2/11

4 Jan 2021 17:31
I thought we had duty free trade?
Fuck me.

And when the tank of the pound happens we are paying for goods through our fucking teeth.

I’ll never buy from EU again.
smith
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11305 posts since 5/5/04

4 Jan 2021 17:32
R wrote: The fact that a few idiots (myself included) may end up paying a few quid on importing clothes is hardly a significant part of this process.

LOL
wembly
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571 posts since 15/1/13

4 Jan 2021 17:33
if you are ordering to the EU, peggs and sons took off the VAT as well now. still now response from them on my email if they can mark down etc.

if anyone need something from Germany, let me know! DHL is on point and changed theire handling fee up to 26,99€ from 16,99€ Fascist!
gawkrodger
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7637 posts since 4/11/08

4 Jan 2021 17:36
yeh, who now fancies becoming the official FUK EU proxy?

Think I may get my arse in gear and get an Irish passport
Hanto
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2997 posts since 30/11/09

4 Jan 2021 17:40
swede wrote:
Hanto wrote: So from just speaking to HMRC, a package coming from Sweden, for example in this case suede boots is the following.

Measures for Sweden
Value added tax
20.00 %
Third country duty
16.00 %

Essentially any country is now Third Country (RoW), as EU was essentially Second Country before, but is no longer applicable.

The VAT is added to the combined value of:

Total of the item
The Third Country Duty.

So a pair of suede boots for £200 would be
£200 + 16% = £232
£232 + 20% = £278.40

Basically, this site is your new friend.

https://www.gov.uk/trade-tariff

Unless they agree to mark down, which Pancho and Lefty won't. They have removed the Swedish VAT, as I say, though.

+ handling fee ontop of that i assume Ubercool

Quite possibly depending on the courier. It makes EU shopping very unattractive, and US JP, AUmore appealing, using proxies, as these sites are not used to marking down and or are very anal about it!
wembly
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571 posts since 15/1/13

4 Jan 2021 18:01
morgan wrote: I thought we had duty free trade?
Fuck me.

you have!

"FTAs are treaties between two or more countries designed to reduce or eliminate certain barriers to trade and investment, and to facilitate stronger trade and commercial ties between participating countries."


but that doesn't mean that you don't have to pay customs duties, etc.

ordered two jackets ((need to figure out the size) from P&S for 500 gbb - VAT free - cost me round about 140 gbp for customs and fees Sick!
beeper
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163 posts since 22/9/10

4 Jan 2021 19:47
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55530721
cassini
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469 posts since 13/6/10

4 Jan 2021 20:51
If I'm understanding right, now if you're buying from a VAT registered EU business you need to work out if they're complying with new UK rules that require them to register for VAT in the UK and make payments directly to hmrc (which large businesses will already be doing under EU law because their total sales to the UK are over the threshold).

If this is the case then as long as your order is under the duty threshold of £135 there should be nothing extra to pay. But if the business you're buying from is not doing this you need to make sure they deduct VAT or you'll likely end up paying twice. In theory this might work out cheaper than before if they deduct VAT and are willing to mark down.
1234589
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951 posts since 1/6/10

5 Jan 2021 12:57
First order turned up today, from Antonioli in Italy - arrived next day shipped with DHL so no delays there.

Tracking shows it was stopped for customs at Milan airport and again at Stansted, but no sign of the box being opened and no fees to pay (although there was nothing with the price inside anyway)

Kadafi39
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1949 posts since 30/10/09

posted 5 Jan 2021 13:04, edited 5 Jan 2021 13:04

What a fuck up, how can you expect a small business in another country to register for VAT in the uk and account to the HMRC, and for small orders worth less than £135 too.
smith
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11305 posts since 5/5/04

posted 5 Jan 2021 13:07, edited 5 Jan 2021 13:07
1234589 wrote: First order turned up today, from Antonioli in Italy - arrived next day shipped with DHL so no delays there.

Tracking shows it was stopped for customs at Milan airport and again at Stansted, but no sign of the box being opened and no fees to pay (although there was nothing with the price inside anyway)

Cheers for the update. Just as I suspected. It's a lottery.

Would be interested to know if there was a customs form label stuck to the box with the value of the items, which I think they legally have to do now?

Or maybe that's just for us sending to EU. Puzzled
Hanto
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2997 posts since 30/11/09

5 Jan 2021 13:09
What was the value of the parcel?
1234589
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951 posts since 1/6/10

posted 5 Jan 2021 13:44, edited 5 Jan 2021 13:44
smith wrote: Would be interested to know if there was a customs form label stuck to the box with the value of the items, which I think they legally have to do now?

Or maybe that's just for us sending to EU. Puzzled

Not sure, there was no customs form on the outside. Thought that sometimes DHL labels have the contents value listed next to description under the address, but not the case here.

Hanto wrote: What was the value of the parcel?

€310 in total, so above the threshold.
swede
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9716 posts since 21/3/09

5 Jan 2021 14:27
Ubercool