Menswear: Sunglasses Thread


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swede
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9837 posts since 21/3/09

16 May 2020 17:39
surplus sun buddies from archive sale here - https://www.fuk.co.uk/threads/sun-buddies-x2/

both sold out.. someone might want on here. if not will return to tres in a week or so
andymakesglasses
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20591 posts since 26/1/06

posted 17 May 2020 08:48, edited 17 May 2020 08:48
padawan wrote: Andy - PEWPOLS Meriner yours?

Yeah. Handmade in France, great quality. Help out the small guys in lockdown, JMM has plenty of customers!
padawan
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4467 posts since 27/6/03

17 May 2020 16:44
Aye chief!! Your reply came in too late - all your fault!! Well you and the bairns… sitting thru the whole Lord of the Rings/Hobbit (aged horrendously)with them - bored to tears so turned to drink and pulled the trigger on a pair of JMM
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

posted 17 May 2020 17:01, edited 17 May 2020 17:01
padawan wrote: Aye chief!! Your reply came in too late - all your fault!! Well you and the bairns… sitting thru the whole Lord of the Rings/Hobbit (aged horrendously)with them - bored to tears so turned to drink and pulled the trigger on a pair of JMM

What did you go for? Cool

Edit, just seen. I have a pair of the Dark Havana's coming next week. I've been waiting about 6 weeks for them.
RickRude
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3891 posts since 13/1/12

17 May 2020 17:05
You won’t be disappointed Hanto
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

posted 17 May 2020 18:15, edited 17 May 2020 18:15
RickRude wrote: You won’t be disappointed Hanto

This'll be my fourth pair. Three in the past six weeks.Eek
RickRude
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3891 posts since 13/1/12

17 May 2020 18:35
Jawdropping!
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

17 May 2020 18:45
RickRude wrote: Jawdropping!

To be fair they have been good prices for JMM, but still. Designer eyes have pairs that retail for £900 in the UK for sub $400 excl shipping.
Dee
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12019 posts since 22/11/07

17 May 2020 20:08
Did they drop value Hanto or you stomaching duties?
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

17 May 2020 20:35
Dee wrote: Did they drop value Hanto or you stomaching duties?

I got a pair for 20% off and they were mispriced at $625 rather than $650. Not sure what the duties will be put they are marked down.
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

18 May 2020 12:35
Just got the invoice from UPS, about £43. Cool

So all in, including postage and fees, they were £497.01 About £30 under US retail, excluding any shipping and fees on top and about £130-150 below UK retail. Seen seems to be the only place with them; I assume that's where you got your pair Pads, as one is sold out?

Plus the service from 1269 has been fantastic. Great guy to deal with. Shipped UPS from Miami on Friday and in the UK already. Should be here tomorrow. Sticking out tongue
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

20 May 2020 11:47
I do have a question regarding the RRP for JMM, compared with other brands.

Other than the limited production runs, is there a reason why they are dearer than other brands. Specifically Mr Leight, Matsuda, Dita/Thom Browne and Eyevan?

Is there components and or a production method that is more expensive.
andymakesglasses
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20591 posts since 26/1/06

posted 20 May 2020 13:09, edited 20 May 2020 13:09
Tooling costs for detailed metalwork are high. It's pretty much what adds the most cost to frames. For each bit of metal with a pattern on it a tool has to be made, and when a frame is as heavily-detailed as a JMM one it soon adds up. Making in Japan comes at a premium too.

Limited production numbers are also affected by tooling costs. Because the cost for making the tool is fixed the smaller your production run the more that adds per frame. For example if your tooling cost is £1000 and you make 100 frames the tooling cost per frame is £10, but if you make 1000 frames the tooling cost only adds £1 to each frame.

You also have to remember (as with a lot of products, not just eyewear) there are several layers of markups in there. The factory needs to make a profit (usually the smallest profit in the chain), the brand (i.e. JMM) needs to make a profit, the shop needs to make a profit, and there may be a distributor or sales agent in there too. So the multiplier increases. Say for argument's sake a particular frame costs twice as much for a factory to produce compared to another frame. By the time it's reached the customer it won't be twice as expensive as the other one it will be multiple times more expensive.

Beyond that there's also the question of quality which can be a bit more difficult to quantify. I'd say JMM is higher quality than Mr Leight, Dita / Thom Browne and Eyevan certainly, not so sure about Matsuda. To achieve that quality level means working with better factories (who charge more), better materials (which cost more), taking more time (for example tumbling and polishing for longer), etc all of which comes at a cost.
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

20 May 2020 14:16
Thanks Andy, that's pretty much what I was looking for. I've got a bit of an eyewear bug now so keen to know more where I can.

I spoke with someone earlier in the week who said that JMM, as a brand, are a nightmare to deal with. Much more of the creative stream than business, which I guess is a good thing for the consumer, less so for the retailer/distributor.

Interesting point regarding markups too. Apparently the wife of the MD of Seen in MCR is the UK dealer for JMM, hence the markup over there, even above UK retail.

I guess from watching something like the below, it would be good to know how much of that is standard tooling and what would be considered custom.

https://youtu.be/wC93Ufi4u8o

Regarding the brands, would you say there are any that are on a par or superior to JMM? Chrome Hearts appears to be one, but not seen many of their designs.
Dee
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12019 posts since 22/11/07

20 May 2020 14:52
Bought a pair from Steenie this year at rrp, price wasn't much cheaper elsewhere at the time and made some decent savings on others, staff we're surprised at the savings I made on some optics (non JMM) got the impression they were pretty much cost price but completely legit, they made the lenses up for them. Defo some bargains out there, thanks again for the last code Hanto.
eazypz
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3360 posts since 16/4/10

20 May 2020 15:05
Does anyone here have the JMM Hickok sunnies?

Like them but all of the JMM frames seem massive.
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

posted 20 May 2020 15:15, edited 20 May 2020 15:15
eazypz wrote: Does anyone here have the JMM Hickok sunnies?

Like them but all of the JMM frames seem massive.

Are they the pair on Mr P? At face value they are on the chunkier side for JMM.

NP Dee. If anyone else is looking for any pairs, chances are I've seen a discount on it somewhere so may be able to help!
Dee
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12019 posts since 22/11/07

20 May 2020 15:25
JMM limited release is a bit of marketing ploy isn't it, they release a model in a certain colour, minor tweak next season then another batch run?
Hanto
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3129 posts since 30/11/09

20 May 2020 15:51
Dee wrote: JMM limited release is a bit of marketing ploy isn't it, they release a model in a certain colour, minor tweak next season then another batch run?

Could well be. But I guess it means it is less of a commodity as a result. I know there are some pieces that they haven't released since their initial launch, but could be that they have refined their styles since and just dropped some. The prices have definitely gone up as well in recent years.

I am always wary of collaborations with any brand, but some of the ones they have done work really well, like the Hopper and Gonzo collections. Not so sure about White Mountaineering.
RickRude
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3891 posts since 13/1/12

20 May 2020 16:47
I've got the Hopper - paid £435 back in 2017