General Discussion: thoughts discussion on something iv been working on


Irma Desh
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4347 posts since 13/5/04

15 Dec 2007 13:21
iv been developing a manifesto, would be interesting to see people views, and thoughts on the subject. i recognise im still very young & will probably come around to making several revisions of this, but heres the starting point.

safe

Irma Desh
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4347 posts since 13/5/04

15 Dec 2007 13:24
oh and the layout, graphically & typographically is a pastiche of the subject in hand. ie: centered

Paolo G
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7408 posts since 10/8/06

15 Dec 2007 13:26
Read first few paragraphs and seems good, themes I often ponder. Im a bit hungover tho and would need to intake some caffeine to give you a full review. You should mention something about never living in the present as well, and always waiting for the future, kind of ties in with the theme?

Thats cool that you write shit like that, i've got some similar stuff saved on my comp, just random thoughts that come to me and feel like I want to write them down. Keep it up Cool
Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

15 Dec 2007 14:05
thats brilliant geezer.
hdsy-
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3904 posts since 30/4/06

15 Dec 2007 14:24
i read this and immediately thought of


strikes me as being overly-wordy and pseudo-intellectual with sentences like "empirically concerned with the emancipation of the zeitgeist relative to the status quo". what does any of it actually mean? i'm sure it's very post-modern and creative but the wording, punctuation, grammar, paragraph structure and narrative are all a bit amateurish. imo.

(for the record i have absolutely no creativity and i'm evaluating more from an academic perspective - probably not the intended audience).
Charles Winthorpe III
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5474 posts since 29/7/05

15 Dec 2007 14:27
hdsy - was gonna say it seemed a bit nathan barley / shoreditch twat, but
(a) i didnt have the balls and.
(b) anth lives round those parts so it makes sense.


Hello World
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12042 posts since 7/3/05

15 Dec 2007 14:33
as a manifesto of a fashion label it is good.
MerciBeau
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4230 posts since 7/7/06

15 Dec 2007 20:11
V. Barley

couldnt you shorten it?
Oasisunit
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5150 posts since 8/5/03

15 Dec 2007 20:30
I really like that, a bit pretentious (the language) but I like the message its conveying

Would nice to have a "fuk creatives" thread where people post there creative efforts apart
from jimmy photoshops he he
Mr X
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7034 posts since 12/7/07

15 Dec 2007 20:38
That font looks like Futura.
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Use of colours RED and White, is it symbolic?
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The content goes way over my head.
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Too long, too many syllables.
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Why are you writing a manifesto if you're only young?
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Politics are for unfashionable people.

Noble Locks
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66963 posts since 10/7/03

15 Dec 2007 20:43
give the geezer a break, its very well observed if not very well written.

p.s put it to music using that clik clik - 'my dunks' record wta
Mr X
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7034 posts since 12/7/07

15 Dec 2007 20:44
NWA - Express Yourself would be more apt.
RETRO KID
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498 posts since 19/9/05

15 Dec 2007 21:10
you are very good with words but as my old man says keep it simple Eye-wink
NB
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571 posts since 21/10/07

15 Dec 2007 23:08
I understand that it's a work in progress so I would suggest:

- Using a different justification or perhaps a smaller text size.
(I used to do a little freelance typesetting so if you'd like me to play around with the formatting, I'd be happy to help).

- And I agree with hdsy: at times it feels too wordy.

Nevertheless, you're a skillful writer and I think it's a really good piece of work.
Kingmob07
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8615 posts since 11/5/07

15 Dec 2007 23:18
Has this been spellchecked?
Hello World
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12042 posts since 7/3/05

15 Dec 2007 23:46
"bread this at primary level" ?
morning mist
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3057 posts since 29/5/05

15 Dec 2007 23:49
good text but dont like the layout/graphics
Irma Desh
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4347 posts since 13/5/04

15 Dec 2007 23:57
well in answer to the punctuation, layout, grid structure, typographic justification (re: NB).

its actually suppose to be a pastiche of the subject in hand. you see. lazy journalism, design, content, taste of ones own medicine.

my original plan was to have it on the front cover of eye magazine in a REALLY obscure coded typeface i made up.



everything you see, IS on purpose

not to even question it, as someone has already said, sums this up completely.


its also suppose to be quite pretentious & wordy, seen as the audience

is journalists, politicians, designers, educators etc.. maybe even slightly unacceptable in places.

to be honest, it can only 100% work in the right context, this is certainly not it. i have yet to find that context, but im coming close to it…



this certainly is not and does need justifying as yes there are those apparent 'mistakes'

but im glad that most things have been pointed out.
shlonames
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328 posts since 1/10/07

16 Dec 2007 00:05
ye its alright, would be better in green.
Hello World
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12042 posts since 7/3/05

16 Dec 2007 00:33
Looking at this from a critical stand point, and ignoring the artistic language which as you have stated is for effect, my comments are:

Making my own analysis that the concept of this manifesto is the establishment of "heard!sm" is your own branded version of escapism / individualism. This is well done.

You do lead a reasonable narrative in terms of definition of them and us, where people who choose your brand would be someone who's escapism / individualism is defined as someone who is completely in tune with your definition of perfection.

Playing on the obviously aspirations of people who do not want to be associated with being in the masses or manipulated by the media to chose a lifestyle defined by your branding in order to achieve that.

The message is reasonable clear, but some unnecessary parts break the narrative and should be removed, murdoch's name is not required directly for example, paragraph 6 is unnecessary, you do say the same thing about the media "manipulation" 5 or 6 different ways, when the best bits could all be compressed down into 3/4 paragraphs without filler.

You have had your own experiences with the media, including a free paper, so if this information becomes known to the recipient of your manifesto some sections may look like a rant based on your own experiences and will loose impact.