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gawkrodger
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19 Apr 2016 20:44
well social media has gone mental
gawkrodger
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19 Apr 2016 20:47
for reference - Conor has tweeted he's retiring (followed by Nate saying the same)
sydneyking
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19 Apr 2016 20:53
Ha ha almost bought it for a second
Seventyfour
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20 Apr 2016 06:08
https://youtu.be/XIK1RN7ZH5g
rdent
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20 Apr 2016 06:59
It's a weird one, hope he hasn't actually retired.

GSP Lawler at 200.
Seventyfour
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20 Apr 2016 07:02
Hope not, Lawler Condit 2 would be awesome
rdent
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20 Apr 2016 07:35
I'd prefer Condit Lawler 2, I thought Condit won the last fight, but GSP was on the MMA Hour and wouldn't comment on it and said his agent is dealing with that side of stuff, which makes me think it's happening, either at 200 or 201, maybe even the New York card.
gawkrodger
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20 Apr 2016 12:54
it's clearly contract/money dispute.

I've said it a thousand times, but there really needs to be a MMA union
sydneyking
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20 Apr 2016 12:56
So true, massive disparity in fighter pay that needs addressing
gawkrodger
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21 Apr 2016 15:37
His statement - I'm cheering for him over Dana!


http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/21/11478208/ufc-200-conor-mcgregor-statement-i-am-paid-to-fight-i-am-not-yet-to-promote-mma-news
sydneyking
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posted 21 Apr 2016 16:02, edited 21 Apr 2016 16:02
Not at all a Dana fan, however i can't agree with Conor on this one. He isn't being asked to do anything the other fighters aren't being asked to do. He got the rematch, which in my opinion his performance didn't warrant and now wants additional time to train. If that's what he felt was needed then why ask for an immediate rematch?

Ultimately the promotion of a fight dictates the financial success of the fight, Conor know's this better than anyone.
jimmoleum
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21 Apr 2016 17:37
Conor won the first round against Diaz and was on his way to winning the second before he went for a half hearted take down after getting caught when he gassed out. All this he got battered is fucking rubbish, some of you mustnt have even watched the full fight. If he trains properly instead of promoting and blowing his wedge on super cars, he has a massive chance of beating Diaz, because Diaz isnt very good, hes just a lot bigger. If hes mad enough to go 2 weight classes up again on his first fight back, course he deserves a rematch.
sydneyking
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posted 21 Apr 2016 18:45, edited 21 Apr 2016 18:45
He fought a natural 155er at 170, not quite the 2 weight class jump some have made it out to be. He was quite soundly beaten IMO against an opponent who had almost no camp. He threw bombs for the first round, got hurt on the feet then went for an ill advised take down as he gassed. Winning the first round to lose the fight completely in the second doesn't IMO warrant a rematch. Presumably he doesn't want to do the presser as what's he going to say to Diaz?

Diaz isn't very good!? That's a nonsense. Conor fought at 145 against fighters he's naturally much bigger than. The fight against Mendez, you could argue went the same way as Conor's fight against Diaz. Mendez won the first round, was winning the second gassed and got beat. He didn't get a rematch
jimmoleum
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21 Apr 2016 20:12
He knows hes a better fighter than Diaz so he he didnt take him seriously. He was posting facebook pics of him training every day for the Aldo fight. For RDA/Diaz all his pics and videos were of him partying, promoting or at another car dealership. Didnt have anywhere near enough time to get to 170 and train/ acclimatise at that weight.

Diaz hasnt been a natural 155er for years, how many times has he had to give half his purse back because of being 160+? Winning for most of the fight, then gassing and getting choked out - how is that being soundly beaten? Did you see Diazs` face?
Mendez was a close fight, but its just not as interesting as Diaz. Was Mendez soundly beaten? No, McGregor was lucky he gassed out. Was Diaz lucky Conor gassed out? Obviously. He was losing.

Conor could barely make 170, Diaz was nearly 2 stone heavier the day of the fight, 4 inches taller. Massive difference. There is a good reason they have weight classes.
Conor believed his own hype a bit too much after beating Aldo like he did, but his self belief is one of the strongest parts of his game.
The fight should have been at welter, but Diaz cant make the weight and since hes won, he doesnt have to.
Who has Diaz beat? Cerrone? Diaz is all chin.
sydneyking
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posted 21 Apr 2016 21:06, edited 21 Apr 2016 21:06
Who is Conor training with? Who has he fought? Bar Aldo which was a non event. He beat Mendez after Mendez had a 2 week camp. A difference of opinion in how you viewed that fight is fine but to claim Diaz isn't very good is simply untrue. Missing weight is not to say Diaz isn't a 155 er, has he had issues with making weight yes, is he 170lb er no.

Conor was badly hurt in that second round, Diaz called it when he used Conor's own phrase and called him a scared wrestler for going for the takedown as he was starting to get lit up by Diaz on the feet.

How many fights have you seen with the Diaz brothers where they get bloodied up, they cut easily. Gsp used to look like he'd been in a car crash after many of his fights as he accepted he bruised easily on his face. Show me one shot that Conor landed in that fight that rocked Diaz. I can show you more than 1 that rocked Conor.

I'm a Conor fan but as I said IMO he didn't do enough to warrant a rematch and unfortunately the UFC won't allow him to pick and choose his media obligations
jimmoleum
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posted 21 Apr 2016 22:31, edited 21 Apr 2016 22:31
Look at their records. You can only beat who they put in front of you, Conor has beaten nearly all of them, Diaz has not.
Who has Diaz beat? Anytime he meets a decent fighter, he loses. A 5"8 natural 145er is his biggest victory. Hes a tough guy but hes no elite athlete or great fighter.
Diaz is all day a 170er now and i doubt hell ever get below 170 again, unless he goes skint or has another bad run. I dont even think Dana would let him fight at a lower weight because hes had to fine him too many times already.

As i said, Diaz has a brilliant chin. But without it, he wouldnt have a career at all. Conor had his will broken with shots that had a lot more power than hes used to. The shots Conor hit Diaz with would have been enough to get rid of of his previous opponents. He is a much quicker, more accurate, better fighter, and if he gets his training right, and fights smart, he will win. I hope he gets the time he needs to train. Hes doing something that no other fighter would do going up in weights, hes making more money for the UFC than anyone else, so he should be given a little bit of extra time to get himself in shape. And how good would Conor be if he did have proper spars?
Also, Diaz gets cut a lot because he gets hit a lot, and with bombs.

However, i reckon its just a money issue. Conor keeps mentioning the dow hes made them, and they are known slave drivers.
sydneyking
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21 Apr 2016 22:55
Diaz's fight prior to Conor was 155 and he's barely looked better. We're quite palpably not going to agree so we'll leave it at that.

Peace
jimmoleum
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22 Apr 2016 00:18
The fight before that, he missed the 160 catch weight, so he was on his best behaviour. Missed the Johnson fight tho, he has done well to beat him.
Seventyfour
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posted 22 Apr 2016 10:48, edited 22 Apr 2016 10:48
Agree with Syd on this one, Nate is a 155er all day, he missed weight when once while on his "couldn't give a fuck" failed contract negotiations stage, he's a dick head not a 170 pounder!
To say Connor is a natural 145er is bullshit, he kills him self getting down to that weight, at the end of the day Conner and Nate walk around at the same weight both natural 155ers. The reason Conner has been so dominant at 145 is his his size.
Connor gassed out hitting Nate with everything he had and did not rattle him once, yet Nate rocked the fuck out of Conner if he'd stepped back and let Conner get up he would of finished him with strikes. did you see him light Maynard and Johnson up? his boxing is very good. Nate dose does triathlons, cycling and all kinds of shit outside the UFC, so to say he's not an elite athlete is wrong.

I like Conner he's done a lot for the sport brought a lot of interest, and a lot of new fans, but the reality is he is better at talking than fighting. the reason he is where he is, is his ability to sell a fight, Look at the fights he's had, no one else would be headlining UFC 200 with that record it's the Talk thats got him where he is, so to think he can get out of it is bullshit.
Seventyfour
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posted 22 Apr 2016 11:47, edited 22 Apr 2016 11:47
Also he didn't refuse to do the press stuff due to training, he was happy to do it but wanted 10 million he says the 1 or so million he is contracted is to fight, and that they are not yet paying him to promote which he wants 10 mil for.


basically its contract negotiations gone wrong, I'm glad the UFC haven't been held to ransom but it's a shame as I would of liked to see the rematch.