General Discussion: Pentonvilles Jesus Juice/Natural Wine thread


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Anto
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3969 posts since 19/1/12

12 Dec 2020 16:39
I personally really like Punt e Mes and Negronis twisted with it, but beware that is the most bitter among Italian (sweet) vermouth, because it has an higher cinchona % in its recipe (literally punt e mes in milanese dialect means 1.5, which refers to the 1.5 level of bitterness compared to 1 as standard of any other sweet vermouth).

If you like a more bitter negroni, just go for it, I love it.

If you want something more classical, Carpano Antica Formula it's great, I agree, but Carpano Classico it's a solid choice for a negroni, I probably prefer it over Antica Formula. Antica Formula it's sweeter, it has a strong vanilla note, while Classico it's more balanced with a citrus note, which goes great with gin.
Another option I really rate it's Cocchi Vermouth di Torino. From Cocchi you could also find Cocchi Dopo Teatro, which is more bitter, similar in a way to Punt e Mes.

Last but not least, Martini Rubino Riserva Speciale does its job extremely well in a Negroni.
andrew_
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591 posts since 23/1/10

12 Dec 2020 17:36
I've gone through a load of vermouth this year and did some back-to-back comparisons.
Mostly in negronis, sometimes a manhattan.

Best of the lot is Cocci, hands down. Get it on amazon.

Dolin is 2nd best.
Carpano Antica is too sweet and has overpowering vanilla flavour, imo.
Punt E Mes is alright but it just makes the whole thing too bitter.
spitfiredealer
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2491 posts since 12/6/10

12 Dec 2020 17:53
Having Lamb for Xmas day this year. Anyone recommend me a decent red for the day.
swede
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9504 posts since 21/3/09

1 Jan 2021 12:44
swede wrote: got sent this as an engagement gift


what do i need to know about it? how should i consume it? what temp and with what food

had this a few days ago with some pizzas, was interesting. not sure i would buy another… do all natural wines have this slight taste of scrumpy cider/fermentation? how i feel when trying to enjoy natural wines;

diederik
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3278 posts since 16/8/11

1 Jan 2021 15:32
It's quite typical for them yes - I like them occasionally (especially the more funky ones) but wouldn't want to just drink these
themistake
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10810 posts since 20/2/06

1 Jan 2021 16:11
Cheers for the Christmas wine recommendations Pent. Really nice.
Christmas was cancelled, but I’ve had a great time with the wine.
pentonville
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901 posts since 12/3/12

1 Jan 2021 18:43
… do all natural wines have this slight taste of scrumpy cider/fermentation?

Definitely not!!
NigelBenn
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4317 posts since 6/2/08

18 Jan 2021 03:18

Big line up for this weekend
Macarj was great
Rez
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8543 posts since 5/4/09

18 Jan 2021 03:25
Do rate nikka from the barrel, lemme know what the Coffey is like
swede
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9504 posts since 21/3/09

18 Jan 2021 09:53
pentonville wrote:
… do all natural wines have this slight taste of scrumpy cider/fermentation?

Definitely not!!

just 90-95% of them?
fouineoursb
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1575 posts since 12/11/06

18 Jan 2021 10:08
Natural wines often have flaws because they don't use the same type of chemical and synthesis products that make traditional wine flawless.
You should stick to renowned wine producers to avoid bad surprises.

Three of my favorites producers are Pierre Menard, L'Anglore/Pfifferling and Daniel Sage.
And in Champagne: De Sousa and Vouette & Sorbée
annexe
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281 posts since 28/11/12

18 Jan 2021 12:04
Rez wrote: Do rate nikka from the barrel, lemme know what the Coffey is like

That Nikka is a great Whiskey, recommended and I think they don't make it anymore
MoB
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37098 posts since 31/8/04

18 Jan 2021 12:16
They've stopped making 'from the barrell'?!!
Rez
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8543 posts since 5/4/09

posted 18 Jan 2021 12:24, edited 18 Jan 2021 12:24
Fuck's sake this is like when I found out CDG stopped doing 888 years after the fact Laughing out loud
MoB
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37098 posts since 31/8/04

18 Jan 2021 12:45
Yeah that's a right shitter if that's the case. Gonna have to bulk buy what I can like 888.
NigelBenn
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4317 posts since 6/2/08

18 Jan 2021 15:37
That Nikka was cracking. Def recommend
bruk
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3720 posts since 2/11/06

18 Jan 2021 15:53
888 is discontinued? Sad
morning mist
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3488 posts since 29/5/05

18 Jan 2021 16:04
annexe
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281 posts since 28/11/12

posted 18 Jan 2021 16:12, edited 18 Jan 2021 16:12
MoB wrote: They've stopped making 'from the barrell'?!!

I meant Coffey Grain but looks like I was wrong and it was suspended in 2019 vs discontinued, there is stock out there still…

https://www.foodandwine.com/news/nikka-suntory-japanese-whisky-discontinued

pentonville
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901 posts since 12/3/12

posted 18 Jan 2021 19:24, edited 18 Jan 2021 19:24
swede wrote: just 90-95% of them?

You just haven’t tried the right wines for you. I’m happy to make some recommendations if you like?


fouineoursb wrote: Natural wines often have flaws

I’d disagree with the use of the word ‘flaws’ here.