General Discussion: What are you drinking today?


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pentonville
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18 Mar 2020 17:44
What’s more there are great independent shops that could be in a lot of trouble because of the pandemic and the miserable government response… they will need your money and if you’re thinking of stocking up they’ll do deals on 12 or even 6 bottles. Noble fine liquor, p Franco, natural born wine and newcomer wines are all in London, sager & Wilde are doing deals on takeaway, or for ordering online I wrote a list a few posts back.
Dee
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18 Mar 2020 19:53
gonna need a bigger rack

DuffMan
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posted 18 Mar 2020 22:46, edited 18 Mar 2020 22:46
pentonville wrote: What’s more there are great independent shops that could be in a lot of trouble because of the pandemic and the miserable government response… they will need your money and if you’re thinking of stocking up they’ll do deals on 12 or even 6 bottles. Noble fine liquor, p Franco, natural born wine and newcomer wines are all in London, sager & Wilde are doing deals on takeaway, or for ordering online I wrote a list a few posts back.

Yeah local wine bar / resto round the corner from me is becoming a shop for a bit so bought one of their mixed crates today - nothing mindblowing but was good value:

Fläsket
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19 Mar 2020 00:42
kitty seems to like that one on the right Laughing out loud
bruk
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21 Mar 2020 15:29

Just got a few bottles in from Wayward


swede
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21 Mar 2020 15:53
"craft" wines coming into fashion then? how come some of them look cloudy? opportunity to be even more snobby than the beer crowd Cool
Ocin
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21 Mar 2020 16:01
Piak one looks like a bottle of arl piss
macgy
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posted 21 Mar 2020 16:08, edited 21 Mar 2020 16:08
You lot are obsessed with natural wine.
This one for you:
Very interesting. Lots of honey suckle and nuttiness. Good fizz. Only 8% ABV which is nice for certain occasions. Will buy again.

For tonight:
Doogan
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21 Mar 2020 16:40
Diorlyte
bruk
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21 Mar 2020 16:42
swede wrote: "craft" wines coming into fashion then? how come some of them look cloudy? opportunity to be even more snobby than the beer crowd Cool

Natural/organic/biodynamic winemaking has been around for years but has really come into its own in the UK in the last few years. The cloudy bottles are unfiltered and/or unfined. Don’t really drink beer/ale much so wine is my preference and natural/organic wines are often the most interesting.
pentonville
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21 Mar 2020 16:52
swede wrote: "craft" wines coming into fashion then? how come some of them look cloudy? opportunity to be even more snobby than the beer crowd Cool

No filtration, and in orange wines the colour also comes from the white grape skins.

There are no official rules around what constitutes a ´natural´wine - wines with literally nothing added are harder to find. But the general accepted standards for low-intervention are -

-Organic or biodynamic viticulture (do not confuse ´organic´ with low-intervention, because..)
-Nothing added or taken away in the cellar, eg no added yeasts or sulfur, sugar etc (wine labelled organic does not abide by these guidelines)
-No fining, generally speaking no filtration but this is not a major sticking point if it´s done organically and without animal products.. Frank Cornelissen is a famous proponent of filtration
-No, or more commonly minimal, sulfites added when the wine is bottled. This is where you just let your feelings guide you. Personally I don´t import anything over 20mg per litre of sulfur added at the bottling stage, in fact almost everything I carry is 13mg max. That´s a pinch as an insurance policy as opposed to the more conventional amounts of around 150mg. I´ve turned down wines where a new vintage has had an increased amount of sulfites added.

And that´s about it as a starting point… it´s environmentally conscious, small batch production that varies with each vintage and tells a story about the producer and the terroir, and is sold at price point fair to everyone. Personally I don´t think there´s anything snobby about it - quite the opposite - but I don´t mind showing off what I´ve got, giving and getting recommendations and it´s just encouraging to see how many people are interested in trying something ´new´(low-intervention goes back hundreds of years unlike conventional wine making which has about a 50-year history).

I´d recommend Natural wine for the People by Alice Fiering if you want to read a bit more - it´s something you can read in an afternoon and a good explainer. But I´d really recommend just trying a few. There is something for everybody.
pentonville
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21 Mar 2020 17:01
bruk wrote: Natural/organic/biodynamic winemaking has been around for years

This is where I might sound a bit snobby by saying… try a few hundred years.
Ulster_Blue
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21 Mar 2020 17:14
pent its maybe been asked before, but do you work in the wine industry? definitely knowledgeable
bruk
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posted 21 Mar 2020 17:20, edited 21 Mar 2020 17:20
pentonville wrote:
bruk wrote: Natural/organic/biodynamic winemaking has been around for years

This is where I might sound a bit snobby by saying… try a few hundred years.

This is why you’re an importer/distributor and I’m just an interested party. Recently did WSET level 2 which I really enjoyed.
Dee
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21 Mar 2020 18:02
G&T and Mick Dundee

swede
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21 Mar 2020 18:12
thanks @pent . not 100% convinced but will have to try it sometime
Hello World
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21 Mar 2020 19:13
Tonight:

https://www.vivino.com/hedonist-shiraz/w/1193761?year=2017

Plus beaver town gamma ray to get going.
georgeyounan
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posted 21 Mar 2020 19:29, edited 21 Mar 2020 19:29

gone through 4/5 bottles of this since first trying it last year. V good.
pentonville
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21 Mar 2020 20:40
Ulster_Blue wrote: pent its maybe been asked before, but do you work in the wine industry? definitely knowledgeable

Yes I import and do wholesale.. but I was drinking almost exclusively low intervention for 8 years before I went into business, and luckily I caught the attention of the right person to get me a great start in the industry.

It does seem like low intervention is having a moment but Terroir opened around 2010.. the first natural wine bar in Paris opened in 1989.. I´m pretty sure a lot of people turn up at brilliant corners and drink low intervention without knowing it.. no doubt instagram has helped in the promotion of an aesthetically pleasing product but really it goes hand-in-hand with a wider interest in the culinary, in sustainability and in micro-farming. It´s still really chefs rather than sommeliers who are enthusiastic about natural wine (by and large) but the tide is turning.

If anything it goes to show how much chemical intervention is put into making a Sancerre taste like a Sancerre for example, then you try something from Sebastien Riffault and it resets everything you know about sauvignon blanc.

There is also a push with wild cider - Breton cider has been a constant in most pubs forever and we´ve got a long history with ´cloudy´real cider in the UK but I´d recommend checking out Fine Cider if you want to try something on home delivery.
pentonville
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21 Mar 2020 20:48
Anyway to get back on track I very rarely drink beer but then I tried this yesterday and it’s amazing… all the flavours I look for in a wine, it’s like no beer I’ve had before (still couldn’t drink a whole one)