Menswear: Whats every chief wearing about you aka What we wore 6 months ago and now dislike


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EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:35
Why go you find Visvims grotesque? Not for the exterior branding, because there is none. And not for the connotations of the customers they attract, it's probably more because of the aesthetics of them. Which isnt the point people were making with Gstar/All saints.

my point differs from the one you describe (and I aint going there again tonightSmiling).


Hello World
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12097 posts since 7/3/05

19 Dec 2007 23:40
So from this we are taking the stance that being an individual is a better metric? Are we essentially saying that being associated as an individual from a more common group, although of course you are only a member of an a slightly smaller group, is the better metric?

Just driving the debate along, I've already stated I dressed in the common group or even sub that, until i was educated with certain looks and copied them. just interested in peoples reasons why.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:44
Commander_Venus wrote:
Hello World wrote:
thoMASSS wrote:
Hello World wrote: Why wouldn't you want them wearing dior jeans if they could afford them?

It devalues the brand and the image. If everyone has something then what is the reason to have it? It might as well be topman. Ofcourse in an idealistic way I could argue that I buy Dior for the fit and quality (which I do) but also it's nice to be wearing something a little special.

Same way you wouldn't want everyone having a degree.

so at what point did you decide that you wanted to dress differently from everyone else / man on the street?

The masses consume what is fed to them, partly why they wear all saints/Gstar/Topman is because they are spoon fed these fashions by celebrities/the media/their peers + it is easily accessible to them.

I'm sure if Dior opened a store on every high st in Britian and sold jeans for £40 and tees for £15 it would only be a metter of weeks before it was the Gstar boys new staple brand.

many people are not fashion obsessed and just want something vaguely respectable to go down the pub in. i would voucher a vast majority wouldn't buy dior on aesthetic grounds.
joe151
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6230 posts since 21/2/07

19 Dec 2007 23:47
Proper interesting discussion Cool
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:48
Hello World wrote: So from this we are taking the stance that being an individual is a better metric? Are we essentially saying that being associated as an individual from a more common group, although of course you are only a member of an a slightly smaller group, is the better metric?

Just driving the debate along, I've already stated I dressed in the common group or even sub that, until i was educated with certain looks and copied them. just interested in peoples reasons why.

indeed - and how and why each group is 'rated'.

it's like a wardrobe 'class war'.
thoMASSS
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541 posts since 4/9/07

19 Dec 2007 23:49
Hello World wrote: So what made you choose dior jeans as the best item you can afford?
Was it through seeing it on here and people getting positive feedback or did you go into selfridges or something see them on the shelf and think they are for me?

Essentially the only detail on the jeans is the rear pocket, and the fit of apc new standards when sized correctly is virtually identical (since they were based on them) both apc an dior are unknown brands.

If people ask do you take pleasure in saying they are dior?

Am I on trial here or something?

No I hate saying I wear expensive clothes. I try to avoid the subject of where my clothes are from by just saying ''oh i got them in some random shop'' etc. I do like the fit and aesthetic of certain brands so I buy into them. I don't like going shopping with people because I expect to get judged on how much I will spend on something that is probably trivial to them. I just like things with a bit of depth to them.

All Saints has just opened a flagship in spittalfields. It just strikes me as such an shallow move, they are trying to buy into the East London fashion scene and trying to suck blood from that crowd, kinda like the Feeling or the Hoosiers music is indie/rock watered down to the mainstream. Their clothing doesn't have a background IMO. The main thing I like about designer clothing is that you can trace the thought process. You can see why that was designed in such a way, hence it has a story to it. Yes I know its probably made in a sweatshop on a production line but you get my point.

I had Dior jeans waaayyy before I had heard of fuk, and i don't mean that in a ''holier than thou'' way. I was obviously influenced and then was wondering around selfridges and remembered seeing a runway shot of them and tried them on and loved them. I'm just using Dior as an example here btw they aren't my one true love but im just pointing out an item everyone wears but their's are just that bit special IMO. Well in the Slimane days they were…
Commander_Venus
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8620 posts since 16/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:50
EVERS wrote:
Commander_Venus wrote:
Hello World wrote:
thoMASSS wrote:
Hello World wrote: Why wouldn't you want them wearing dior jeans if they could afford them?

It devalues the brand and the image. If everyone has something then what is the reason to have it? It might as well be topman. Ofcourse in an idealistic way I could argue that I buy Dior for the fit and quality (which I do) but also it's nice to be wearing something a little special.

Same way you wouldn't want everyone having a degree.

so at what point did you decide that you wanted to dress differently from everyone else / man on the street?

The masses consume what is fed to them, partly why they wear all saints/Gstar/Topman is because they are spoon fed these fashions by celebrities/the media/their peers + it is easily accessible to them.

I'm sure if Dior opened a store on every high st in Britian and sold jeans for £40 and tees for £15 it would only be a metter of weeks before it was the Gstar boys new staple brand.

many people are not fashion obsessed and just want something vaguely respectable to go down the pub in. i would voucher a vast majority wouldn't buy dior on aesthetic grounds.

I think people do Buy Dior for aesthetic grounds, whenever I see Dior jeans for sale on; ebay, msn group, here - the most commonly asked question is wheter they are 17s, 19s or 21s. People wouldnt buy Dior jeans without knowing which cut they were - which is aesthetic.
Do I think it has an influence on people the fact that the brand is Dior? Yes of course I do, but that again is the connotation a label brings, which goes back to the original point.
Commander_Venus
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8620 posts since 16/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:51
@ Hello World

It depends to what you aspire to, if we are talking purely numbers, which your above post insinuates, then no.
My goal isnt to be in a 'smaller' group but a 'better' group. 'Better' obviously relating to personal preferences, I would only want to part of a group for its dynamics and what it represents.
If you take a Gstar guy, who wears what he wears for previously stated reasons and pitched him against say a Dior/Visvim or whatever fashion kid, you would be able to make personality assumptions. Obviously there aresome who this wont apply to, but you can apply this to the group as a whole.

Basically, I'm more likely to get glassed by someone wearing Gstar jeans and an old Glory polo, than I am by Ph!l.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:53
think people do Buy Dior for aesthetic grounds, whenever I see Dior jeans for sale on; ebay, msn group, here - the most commonly asked question is wheter they are 17s, 19s or 21s. People wouldnt buy Dior jeans without knowing which cut they were - which is aesthetic.
Do I think it has an influence on people the fact that the brand is Dior? Yes of course I do, but that again is the connotation a label brings, which goes back to the original point.

we're missing each other. if dior went high st, you indicated that high street shoppers would clear the shelves. my point is they wouldn't touch it with a barge pole (on aesthetic grounds).
Mr X
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7053 posts since 12/7/07

19 Dec 2007 23:55
The high street retailers just copy popular designer goods and make them cheaply in poor countries. You're not going to stand out unless you buy some pieces that are off the beaten track or have a style that's completely unique.

I think we all look the same to a non-fashion concious person because people who don't care about labels don't pay that much attention to clothing detail.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

19 Dec 2007 23:59
Commander_Venus wrote: @ Hello World

It depends to what you aspire to, if we are talking purely numbers, which your above post insinuates, then no.
My goal isnt to be in a 'smaller' group but a 'better' group. 'Better' obviously relating to personal preferences, I would only want to part of a group for its dynamics and what it represents.
If you take a Gstar guy, who wears what he wears for previously stated reasons and pitched him against say a Dior/Visvim or whatever fashion kid, you would be able to make personality assumptions. Obviously there aresome who this wont apply to, but you can apply this to the group as a whole.

Basically, I'm more likely to get glassed by someone wearing Gstar jeans and an old Glory polo, than I am by Ph!l.

this comes accross as judging people based on what they wear. thats flawed.
Fläsket
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3578 posts since 14/8/04

20 Dec 2007 00:01
Whats every c**t wearing about you
dis kinda shit
Hello World
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12097 posts since 7/3/05

20 Dec 2007 00:01
it seems interesting to me that you have the aspiration side of movement to the smaller / better group and also reason that you don't want to be associated with the negative connotations of the appearance of the common group.

Stereotyping is quite the human condition, we are brought up to expect certain people to look certain ways, and from that early education its hard to shake things off.

As I stated yesterday on this issue, when you are younger and in much larger social groupings for example school / university the "pressure" to fit into the group image / personality is very high,but as soon as you exposed to much smaller social groupings the desire to be more of an individual in appearance / personality appears to become much stronger.

not on trial here masses, your answer is just part of the discussion.
Oasisunit
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5169 posts since 8/5/03

20 Dec 2007 00:02
Hello World speaks the truth
Hello World
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12097 posts since 7/3/05

20 Dec 2007 00:07
maybe its some deep seated primal thing of when your young you want to blend in with the group so the predator wont select you for the kill, and when you mature is more about standing out as the best mate? (no fashion = peacock)
Homer
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23926 posts since 8/5/03

20 Dec 2007 00:09
Hello World wrote: maybe its some deep seated primal thing of when your young you want to blend in with the group so the predator wont select you for the kill, and when you mature is more about standing out as the best mate? (no fashion = peacock)

thoMASSS
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541 posts since 4/9/07

20 Dec 2007 00:11
The most obvious thing I can think to relate it to is women.

Would you rather choose the big titted, orange, blonde strutting down the street, she thinks she is it, she craves the attention.Oceana is her playground. You'd probably shag her and catch something and realise a week later she's an annoying slag and not care because there you have seen her type before.

Or do you do for the one on the other side of the road with a sort of awkward beauty. She is gorgeous but she doesn't need to let you know you can just tell from a glance. There is just something about her that you won't forget for the rest of the day and would go back to find her again.

Mr X
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7053 posts since 12/7/07

20 Dec 2007 00:12
EssexBoyII wrote: Hello World has taken up the Uncle Bulgaria role on the forum.
EVERS
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8580 posts since 2/7/06

20 Dec 2007 00:12
You have more access to choice when you are older and have the confidence not to bother what others think.
Hello World
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12097 posts since 7/3/05

20 Dec 2007 00:14
Nokia Boy wrote:
EssexBoyII wrote: Hello World has taken up the Uncle Bulgaria role on the forum.

I would prefer not to be associated with the opinions of that guy.