Menswear: Which watch?


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NigelBenn
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25 Mar 2022 14:37
RickRude
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posted 25 Mar 2022 14:41, edited 25 Mar 2022 14:41
gaffer wrote:
RickRude wrote: yeah but come on - you must be a bit pissed? An iconic watch, that was non hype and non desired by the layman has now become a gimmick?

Please explain how the Swatches make the Speedmaster a gimmick

Some comments before are going off topic - I haven't mentioned value?? I mentioned legacy and history and non hype - on this forum especially, the Speedmaster lends itself to all those in terms of appeal. I own two Omega watches ftr. I think many on here own the Speedmaster for these reasons and because its a good looking watch - and also because they know what they are getting in terms of quality and craftsmanship with an Omega. Brand equity also plays a vital role in buying watches - why do people post their watches on here for others to judge if they didn't care?

The definition of gimmick I think summarizes this collaboration perfectly and only Swatch Group will know their intentions. If these are going to be mass produced - full on gimmick in my opinion. Its a plastic watch that is cheap to produce and is dressed up as a Speedmaster to lure people in to buying it. You could also argue about opening it up to a new market - not a bad thing at all. Are these going to also be disposable because the movement can’t be accessed nor the crystal replaced?

People think they are getting all the face value of its predecessor without the price tag - which again isn't necessarily a bad thing to present an affordable entry point into iconic watch design.

Swatch have been doing chrono watches for years (ones a lot nicer looking than these), never seen one posted in this thread yet. Take that Omega logo off - would people be discussing these? I suppose it falls into the Seiko/Grand Seiko and Tudor/Rolex realm??

Also another interesting point to consider ; sales at the bottom of the Swiss watch market. Is this an an incentive for people to visit Swatch stores after a two-year downturn?

Swiss watch exports in 2021

“Exports of wristwatches increased by 3.5% compared with 2019, to 21.2 billion francs. The number of items, however, continued to fall, to 15.7 million. This is a decline of 4.9 million (-23.8%) compared with 2019.​

Watches priced at less 500 francs (export price) fell sharply, accounting for over 95% of the decline in volumes, with a 25.1% drop in their export value. The decline in value for watches priced between 500 and 3,000 francs was significantly less marked (-3.5%), while watches priced at over 3,000 francs grew by 9.7%.​

The groups of materials that saw the highest decline in volumes were steel (-21.4%) and the Other materials category (-37.4%). Value was driven mainly by watches made from precious metals (+7.8%) and steel (+2.9%)”​

Source: FHS.swiss
RickRude
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posted 25 Mar 2022 14:56, edited 25 Mar 2022 14:56
deuce wrote:
MoB wrote:
RickRude wrote: yeah but come on - you must be a bit pissed? An iconic watch, that was non hype and non desired by the layman has now become a gimmick?

As i said before i have a speedy and i still love it and i want two of these. I couldn't be the least bit pissed, i didn't buy any of my watches due to their value in regards to selling or if someone thinks i'm wearing a swatch so why would i be bothered? If you're buying any watch just for other peoples opinions then i feel sorry for you.
+1

Only people who would be annoyed at this collab are the people who buy ‘luxury’ watches to gain entrance into an imaginary exclusive club to flex on poors.
You’re upset people won’t realise how rich you are because they’ll think your £6k watch is £200 lol

I too have the speedy pro, and love this collab (not buying tho).

You have discussed Rolex numerous times in this thread because of less inferior craftsmanship and materials used in the past? I'm making the same point in a round about sense - I was also being rhetorical regarding Speedy owners.
RVP10
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275 posts since 3/4/12

25 Mar 2022 15:14
Going to try and get a couple, love the sistem 51 (first all plastic automatic movement), have a few of those in the box already. The ceramic looks like another cool innovation.

Will be quite annoyed if I queue for my first drop ever and it turns into a general release though.
RVP10
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25 Mar 2022 15:19
RickRude wrote:
gaffer wrote:
RickRude wrote: yeah but come on - you must be a bit pissed? An iconic watch, that was non hype and non desired by the layman has now become a gimmick?

Please explain how the Swatches make the Speedmaster a gimmick

Some comments before are going off topic - I haven't mentioned value?? I mentioned legacy and history and non hype - on this forum especially, the Speedmaster lends itself to all those in terms of appeal. I own two Omega watches ftr. I think many on here own the Speedmaster for these reasons and because its a good looking watch - and also because they know what they are getting in terms of quality and craftsmanship with an Omega. Brand equity also plays a vital role in buying watches - why do people post their watches on here for others to judge if they didn't care?

The definition of gimmick I think summarizes this collaboration perfectly and only Swatch Group will know their intentions. If these are going to be mass produced - full on gimmick in my opinion. Its a plastic watch that is cheap to produce and is dressed up as a Speedmaster to lure people in to buying it. You could also argue about opening it up to a new market - not a bad thing at all. Are these going to also be disposable because the movement can’t be accessed nor the crystal replaced?

People think they are getting all the face value of its predecessor without the price tag - which again isn't necessarily a bad thing to present an affordable entry point into iconic watch design.

Swatch have been doing chrono watches for years (ones a lot nicer looking than these), never seen one posted in this thread yet. Take that Omega logo off - would people be discussing these? I suppose it falls into the Seiko/Grand Seiko and Tudor/Rolex realm??

Also another interesting point to consider ; sales at the bottom of the Swiss watch market. Is this an an incentive for people to visit Swatch stores after a two-year downturn?

Swiss watch exports in 2021

“Exports of wristwatches increased by 3.5% compared with 2019, to 21.2 billion francs. The number of items, however, continued to fall, to 15.7 million. This is a decline of 4.9 million (-23.8%) compared with 2019.​

Watches priced at less 500 francs (export price) fell sharply, accounting for over 95% of the decline in volumes, with a 25.1% drop in their export value. The decline in value for watches priced between 500 and 3,000 francs was significantly less marked (-3.5%), while watches priced at over 3,000 francs grew by 9.7%.​

The groups of materials that saw the highest decline in volumes were steel (-21.4%) and the Other materials category (-37.4%). Value was driven mainly by watches made from precious metals (+7.8%) and steel (+2.9%)”​

Source: FHS.swiss

I think it’s scratching the itch for people who want the exotic speedies that are going for crazy money now mostly; I think the black will be the worst seller.

If u are a speedy guy who was into them for a while you could have picked up a project Alaska for 50 off rrp or whatever… but those watches are unobtainable now, so just buy the swatch version. I think it will increase the value of the omegas they are inspired by, but I don’t really care about values and stuff.
deuce
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posted 25 Mar 2022 15:22, edited 25 Mar 2022 15:22
RickRude wrote:
deuce wrote:
MoB wrote:
RickRude wrote: yeah but come on - you must be a bit pissed? An iconic watch, that was non hype and non desired by the layman has now become a gimmick?

As i said before i have a speedy and i still love it and i want two of these. I couldn't be the least bit pissed, i didn't buy any of my watches due to their value in regards to selling or if someone thinks i'm wearing a swatch so why would i be bothered? If you're buying any watch just for other peoples opinions then i feel sorry for you.
+1

Only people who would be annoyed at this collab are the people who buy ‘luxury’ watches to gain entrance into an imaginary exclusive club to flex on poors.
You’re upset people won’t realise how rich you are because they’ll think your £6k watch is £200 lol

I too have the speedy pro, and love this collab (not buying tho).

You have discussed Rolex numerous times in this thread because of less inferior craftsmanship and materials used in the past? I'm making the same point in a round about sense - I was also being rhetorical regarding Speedy owners.
A swatch collab isn’t supposed to have good craftsmanship.
Rolex make good watches (I have one), but they’re not the be all and end all of watches. They’re mass produced on an assembly line.
This is a fashion forum, and Rolex are the brand, so it makes sense.
RickRude
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25 Mar 2022 15:28

A swatch collab isn’t supposed to have good craftsmanship.


That's the whole discussion point i'm getting at - I guess that's why you are not interested in getting one?
deuce
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25 Mar 2022 15:30
No, a few pages back I posted a new timex I bought, which is half the price of this swatch. I personally dislike the coloured cases
RickRude
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25 Mar 2022 15:38
pretty sure a certain Speedy owner ribbed you for it Eye-wink
deuce
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25 Mar 2022 16:17
I honestly think a lot of this is about ‘exclusivity’. Making a cheaper speedmaster makes the brand more accessible, which to some means bad (imo it’s good).

I can remember a while back in this thread foursobine (can’t remember his name) said one of the problems with vacheron is that you can actually buy them discounted!
Imagine having that attitude towards anything else, it’s so bizarre.

For example;
If Rolex tomorrow decided to up their production from ~1 million watches a year to 10 million a year, current owners would lose their shit. But why? Their watch hasn’t changed, only their perception would. They’d be fuming that people could freely buy them, and possibly at a discount.
It would actually be a great thing, people being able to walk into a shop and buy what they want, it might even put an end to things like this Laughing out loud
Crackajack
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25 Mar 2022 16:24
deuce wrote: been thinking for a while the overseas is massively underappreciated. possible future investment piece, if people catch wind of it and it gets hype

This was last year I think. Are they still an investment piece / under the radar Cool item?
fudge.dredd
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25 Mar 2022 16:26
Is it just me that thinks most of these look like terrible iterations? If you want a swatch then get a swatch. This is an awful gimmick but at least Omega aren’t as stuffy as Rolex who take a Sub and increase it’s dimensions by 1mm and have fanboys raving about their genius.

I’m still in two minds about them. Don’t really care for them but painful watching people (including fukers) acting like the very people they normally take the piss out of.

Not a good look.
fudge.dredd
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25 Mar 2022 16:29
If I wanted a Swatch I’d get this.

deuce
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25 Mar 2022 16:29
Crackajack wrote:
deuce wrote: been thinking for a while the overseas is massively underappreciated. possible future investment piece, if people catch wind of it and it gets hype

This was last year I think. Are they still an investment piece / under the radar Cool item?
Definitely an investment piece now, almost like I had a crystal ball Eye-wink
fudge.dredd
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25 Mar 2022 16:30
deuce wrote:
Crackajack wrote:
deuce wrote: been thinking for a while the overseas is massively underappreciated. possible future investment piece, if people catch wind of it and it gets hype

This was last year I think. Are they still an investment piece / under the radar Cool item?
Definitely an investment piece now, almost like I had a crystal ball Eye-wink

Can’t get them for love nor money but that date window….
Doogan
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posted 25 Mar 2022 16:35, edited 25 Mar 2022 16:35


fudge.dredd
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25 Mar 2022 16:39
Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud Laughing out loud the hype is real
fudge.dredd
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25 Mar 2022 16:40
Is that Essexboy with the short shorts?
swiftus
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25 Mar 2022 16:47
fudge.dredd wrote: I’m still in two minds about them. Don’t really care for them but painful watching people (including fukers) acting like the very people they normally take the piss out of.

Yeah, agree with this.

Question for everyone who's hype about them - would you feel as hype if there was no Omega branding on the watch? I don't know if people are hooked by the collab itself, or the design of the watch.
smith
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25 Mar 2022 16:59
It's a bit of both for me. Omega branding and the general speedy aesthetics of them. Look like fun watches. Not too serious about them mind. Hype train has killed the appeal somewhat. Will try and get one if they come online and if they don't then no bother.